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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:31 am

...more news that is worth reading,

http://www.ekathimerini.com/244203/arti ... se-tension

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/09/04/pres ... yprus-eez/

...it seems Akinci got his non-paper to send to Turkey.

...and if it is agreed, the negotiations have an incentive to "be" Cypriot.

What with Lute still in Cyprus, this is interesting.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:33 pm

Eni will not drill off Cyprus if warships in the area
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/10/10/eni- ... -the-area/

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...while ENI may be struggling with this venture, it is not hard to understand the company's position. They are in the business of oil, generally speaking, (to their shareholders,) for profit.

Turkey, at least Erdogan's Turkey, is not.

It is the Treaty of Lausanne, let's not forget, that he has "tossed out a window"; it is not the oil and gas, but total supremacy of this sea, and the Aegean he seeks. Being the region's largest country, "with the longest coastline", seems to justify in his mind its "equity". "International Law" as he defines it, what is "legal", returns to a time before this Treaty, never mind UNCLOS which he does not recognise, or respect. Witness in Syria, what he is doing: an invasion, an intention to change the demographics of a "safe zone" unilaterally. It will not surprise me when this too is linked to the Problem, as has been oil and gaz exploration, to satisfy Erdogan's expansionistic goals.

...in any case, Turkey has demonstrated that it will act militarily for its ambitions, and in affect he (Erdogan) has challenged the rest of us not "Turkish" to challenge him. Indeed, Mr. Trump has given him the "green light" to move ahead and solve these problems, (in a very 'man-to-man' kind of way,) and, this is his expectation when on November 13 they meet at the White House.

One has to wonder, in the grander scheme of things, if it is not better to negotiate as equals, if as adversaries each is equally interested in a solution. The East Med. Gas Forum, comes to mind. Its success with the Tripartite Agreements that led to its foundation can easily be extended to include: Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, and Turkey, Cyprus, Greece; it seems a natural progression, if the intention is a natural hegemony of the region, in competition (and cooperation,) with other regions internationally, also organised accordingly.

......goodwill on Turkey's part would be demonstrated, if ENI drills according to schedule; time will tell.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby Lordo » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:07 pm

no it is not rw. griis is the won who is caliming for 97% of the aegean sea and cyprus is claiming 80% of north east med. in which universe is this terggy claiming supermacy for goodness sake. nither will get anything till they sit down and negotiate reasonable sharing of the resources.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby kurupetos » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:41 am

Lordo wrote:no it is not rw. griis is the won who is caliming for 97% of the aegean sea and cyprus is claiming 80% of north east med. in which universe is this terggy claiming supermacy for goodness sake. nither will get anything till they sit down and negotiate reasonable sharing of the resources.

It's the law, fool. Read and shut up.

https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention ... /part5.htm
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Re: extracting resources

Postby Mustiejodu » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:07 am

The three musketeers Erdogan, Trump and Putin can go to hell. These three will do anything to stay in power so let’s not condemn the people who are too thick to realise what they are up to abs keep them in power. What did Putin do in Ukraine and no one did fuck all about. Ukraine which is at the door steps of Europe and EU has done fuck all. Disgraceful double standard attitude towards the world by EU is the reason why people like Erdogan and Putin will survive.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:41 pm

...indeed, there exists the Treaty of Lausanne Lordo; Greece did not make this border on their own, neither did Cyprus.

Have you seen the map that Erdogan uses to describe his vision? You are mistaken, Lordo.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby Lordo » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:51 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, there exists the Treaty of Lausanne Lordo; Greece did not make this border on their own, neither did Cyprus.

Have you seen the map that Erdogan uses to describe his vision? You are mistaken, Lordo.

rw you are all over the place hence confusing yourself.

treaty of lausanne is fact. th emap some swine printed from erdogan's ministry cannot be taken seriously. it is the act of a stipid child minded individual. when it comes to the 97% calim of the resources in the aegean it has nothing to do with the lausanne agreement but the law of the sea which gives more sea bed to a tine island than a country. that is the crux of the matter. it is contested and in th elaw of the sea it is stipulated than when there is a dispute it must be negotiated. considering terggy has not even signed the law of the sea.

the only thing left is griis to start drilling like cyprus did. they wil not becasue they are scared shitless. the reason why cypriots did is because they are suffering from a complex that they believe anything happens they will be defended by somebody. as yet no problems till they actually start extraction that is when shit will hit the fan.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:51 pm

...all the (EEZ) boundaries are negotiated, whether they are disputed or not, Lordo.

...what is clear is that Turkey does not want to negotiate. In fact, she has made maximalist demands which only indicate her intention to have total supremacy over the lives of all of Turkey's neighbours, (on the sea and, on land).

...while the Treaty of Lausanne established the modern Turkey we know today, and the balance of power which has existed in the region for about one hundred years, Turkey (under Erdogan) has done everything it can to disrupt the relationships that it developed among the parties involved. Not hard to see in Syria, (and Cyprus), Iraq is next it seems, in terms of violent assault, so too Greece. It is no surprise though, because he said it himself, he intends to rid himself of it for a "new" Turkey, where he is the defender of Islam (not unlike the Western world is a defender of "Christianity"), where Istanbul becomes a caliphate for his religion.

...oil and gas extraction (and exploitation) is not the issue, in affect, it is the power to do so without question, without impunity, and without consequence, that he suggests, to the other players not "Turkish", to "know their place". I am not confused Lordo, there are two choices, War and Peace, and how we will get there is a matter of dialog or violent confrontation; either way Erdogan will win some Tribute, with Cyprus Free, fame, with Cyprus no more, infamy.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:58 am

...Crete is an island.

Turkey signs with Libya, on its EEZ; you can imagine its "fairness" as far as Greece is concerned.

https://in-cyprus.com/turkey-signs-mari ... ation-row/
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:17 pm

...more news, and a twist; it is Greece that asks NATO for help, against Turkey's hostile acts.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/1 ... spute.html

...the price of Russian support for energy,

https://thearabweekly.com/turkey-increa ... tions-loom
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