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hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:01 pm

you cannot make it up. this tory government started planning hs2 without doing a cost benefit analysis. they worked out the original cost to be 56 billion and now realise that it is way off the mark. they have now decided to do a cost/benefit review and will report by the end of the year.
in my humble experience the cost/benefit analysis of any project is done before a project begins and as it is being planned this is analysis is under constant review. if the costs go up far more than tolerances and benefits are reduced to below tolerances the project must be reviewed. the review should not take more than a few weeks if the objectives were being monitored like they should be. by anouncing that they will review and report by the end of the year, either they have not carried out the original analysis or they have not tracking them. either way it smells of incompetence. after having spent 4.1 billion pounds not a single bit of work done, they have decided to review.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby MR-from-NG » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:11 pm

Lordo wrote:you cannot make it up. this tory government started planning hs2 without doing a cost benefit analysis. they worked out the original cost to be 56 billion and now realise that it is way off the mark. they have now decided to do a cost/benefit review and will report by the end of the year.
in my humble experience the cost/benefit analysis of any project is done before a project begins and as it is being planned this is analysis is under constant review. if the costs go up far more than tolerances and benefits are reduced to below tolerances the project must be revied. the review should not take more than a few weeks if the obkectives were being monitored like they should be. by anouncig that they will review and report by the end of the year, either they have not carried out the original analysis or they have not tracking them. either way it smells of incompetence. after having spent 4.1 billion pounds not a single bit of work done, they have decided to review.

Again, planned by total dumbasses that are totally out of touch with reality. They have already ruined communities and businesses with their "compulsory purchase" policies. There are hundreds of outstanding law suits for undervalued properties. You wouldn't get a Peter Jones, an Alan Sugar or any successful businessman making such catastrophic blunders. These were spotty college kids that passed their exams and chose politics as a carrier. Good for nothing bunch of kants :twisted:
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:20 am

I must point out that the Genesis of the HS2 and all the original planning took place between Jan 2009 and March 2010, under the last labour government.

The problem the UK railways have, in particular the main intercity routes, is that they are mostly between 130 and 180 years old, and have major capacity problems. There is little one can do, at least on a cost effective basis to improve that situation. Indeed one could probably spend a lot more for little benefit. There is only so much one can do with signalling, the tracks are not suitable for all but a modest increase in speed in any event, and there is little space to effectively expand existing lines without far more demolition of property.

Indeed the major benefit of HS2 is not the reduction of time for North South Journeys, but the freeing up of capacity on the current lines by taking out the faster nonstop services and allowing more (slower) trains. It’s a matter of headspace. If all the trains run at about the same average speed you can set them off at roughly equal intervals but where you have a few trains which are lot faster than the slower trains one had to allow a long enough and longer gap between it and the previous slow train so it does not catch it up before a point where it can get past.


Yes there will be speed up benefits, but they will in fact particularly improve journey times in the North of England where much of HS2 ties in with the Northern Power house project, where EG Birmingham to Nottingham times would Be reduced from an hour to about 20 minutes, while Birmingham Edinburgh times could fall by At least one hour 15 minutes, going from just under five hours, to closer to 3 hours 40. That makes it time wise about as competitive as the plane.

The alternative is far more costly and environmentally damaging road schemes.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Londonrake » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:10 am

HS2 was a Labour project initially. They started it in Jan 2009.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:18 am

Londonrake wrote:HS2 was a Labour project initially. They started it in Jan 2009.



Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-Tory rant... It was probably all Thatcher's fault... :lol:
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:35 am

some people have got a bit of a problem reading comments. it makes no difference who came up with the idea. in any project, when you have an idea there is a lot of steps to go thorugh before you start the project proper.

first thing you do is a feasability study to see what choices you have and which one would be best solution in cost and benefit.

before you start the construction, you have to do a full cost benefit analysis and you maintain that throughout. you do not just stop one day and ask for it. when the costs start spiraling you stop the project.

they have spent 7 billion pounds and then asked for a review. whay was the review not being done cotinuously like it should have been done. you cannot blame labour for the mess just becasue they came up with the idea, and excuse nine years of mismangament since. the tory boy rats have nowhere to hide.

if you look at the cost is just under 84 odd billion. and for this price what exactly is the benefit. they will half the journy time. it takes me an hour to get into london from the outskirts and another hour to get to the midlands. what the hell is the matter with the buggers. the problem they have is they do not use the trains except perhaps corbyn who does. another issue is we have two train companies doing the journey in different journey times to the midlands. one does it in one hour fourty minutes and the other an hour and at twice the cost. the government has not paid for this improvement we do, by paying double for the train fair.

pibol should not make comments unless they understand the subject matter.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Londonrake » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:01 pm

Lordo wrote:pibol should not make comments unless they understand the subject matter.


Lordo wrote:you cannot make it up. this tory government started planning hs2
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:12 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:pibol should not make comments unless they understand the subject matter.


Lordo wrote:you cannot make it up. this tory government started planning hs2

if only you followed my comment in the first place.
if the search for construction companies started in 2017 what was the government doing since 2010 if labour planned it all before 2010. you cannot make it up. read and lern boy, read and lern. you are going to blame this labour?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/demand-and-appraisal-report-hs2-london-west-midlands


you is making me laugh on sunday morning and thats not good i should be going to church.

friday i went to the mosque, saturday i went to the synagog and today after i ate my bakon and eggs breakfast i went to church. i take my religioous well being seriously. i don't want to go the the big gate in the sky to be told i followod the wrong swines so i follow al of them.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Londonrake » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:46 pm

A wise man. You wouldn’t want to have a problem at the gates of Heaven due to a technicality. :wink:

Your OP started out as an anti-Tory post - before you got into the nitty-gritty details. S.T.U.D and I pointed out that, actually, it was a Labour Government which laid the foundations for HS2, at the beginning of 2009. They set up HS2 Ltd and had them cross consult with the DfT and Network rail on the project. So, to be fair, it’s really been a multi-party cockup. :D
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:50 pm

Londonrake wrote:A wise man. You wouldn’t want to have a problem at the gates of Heaven due to a technicality. :wink:

Your OP started out as an anti-Tory post - before you got into the nitty-gritty details. S.T.U.D and I pointed out that, actually, it was a Labour Government which laid the foundations for HS2, at the beginning of 2009. They set up HS2 Ltd and had them cross consult with the DfT and Network rail on the project. So, to be fair, it’s really been a multi-party cockup. :D

clearly you know nothing about project management. labour did not set up the feasability study. learn project management and make a relevan post. of the 7 billion spent so far how much did labour pay and how much did the tories pay.

do you know how much it costs to set up a company?
have you ever set one up?

multi-party cockup my codlings.
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