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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:50 pm

anyway lets have anothe rlook at th eproblem as it should have been considered. what is the real problem. having to repair the roads and railway lines is one of the main issues that have never been addressed.

lets have a look at cars.

a hgv causes as much damage as 40,000 cars.
now how much is a hgv road tax? £1000

how mcuh do car drivers pay assuming assuming 150 as an avaerage? 6 million.

so an obvious question is why are we susidising corporations?

the same applies to rail fright.

how much damage does a freight train do to the railway tracks at 130 tonnes per wagon when compared to 7.5 tonnes per wagon.
i am sure the subsidies we pay towards corporations is just as bad there too.

about time these bastards paid their taxes and the damage they cause our roads and railways.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:15 pm

anyway while we are at it, we have clever pibol here. surely we can come up with alternative ideas as to what could be done that would be better value for money.

here is one.
how about extending the platforms by say 25% and add 25% more carraiges on the trains so more people can travel and do the same to freight platforms to increase them too. or even 50 percent, why not?

how about perhaps laying one more track next to existing lines to reduce the load on the other tracks and perhaps be able to close one track for maintenance without disruption. to hell with it, why not lay two more tracks on each line and double capacity.

why not move most goods through the night?

considering all the land is already aquired and stations just needing a little expansion, how much could it come to when compared to hs2 cost.

i am perfectly happy with 125 m/h train. why is there a need for 250 m/r train on a totally new train line?

any other ideas?

perhaps we can send it to the shapps fella and send another one to my mate andy and see what they make of it.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:09 pm

i got a good idea what they can do with the 90 odd billion they are saving by canceling the project, they can ay the the debt they dumped on our children who attended university
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:02 pm

I really have to laugh at your stupidity because all the solutions you suggest to expand platform length or run extra lines alongside existing track are simply not workable.

I have already shown the capacity consequences of running slow and fast trains on the same track, and have explained that trying to add extra tracks alongside existing track is not feasible...similar applies to platform extensions, that quite simply there is not the land to do it, in particular in towns, without far far more destruction of property and immense disruption over many years as these new tracks are put in, yet like a broken record you repeat the same idiotic ideas without discussing the implications in terms of property acquisition, and the disruptions to service.
You are talking of thousands of houses.

As an example on the WCML they are already running maximum length trains at peak hours, 12 carriages, and are running at the tightest headway.

The sort of work being done at Euston for HS2 is the sort of work that your own ludicrous ideas would require, indeed I expect what you propose would cost more, take longer and achieve less than HS2.

That is why the idea of expanding and/or “upgrading” existing lines has been rejected in favour of the dedicated high speed line.

The night btw is when much maintenance is done...

The best bet is, as the French have done, build dedicated high speed lines, which in the case of HS2 will free up capacity on 3 other lines to some extent, namely WCML, Midland Main Line, and ECML, and indeed some of the bigger benefits will be on some regional lines in the Midlands and the North.

The ability to run substantially faster trains on the new track is a bonus flowing from the fact it will not suffer from the constraints our current lines are subject too, but the main benefits are the provision of extra capacity without the massive disruption.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:28 pm

Lordo wrote:i got a good idea what they can do with the 90 odd billion they are saving by canceling the project, they can ay the the debt they dumped on our children who attended university



You mean the 50% of children that Labour's Tony Blair encouraged to go to university...? :roll:

So instead of the brightest and the best going, huge numbers of children go and are funded by loans from the government.

And because they are largely unsuited to university they take utterly pointless courses like the arts, humanities and gender studies thus guaranteeing that they'll never achieve gainful employment and be able to pay their loans back.

And then the government writes off their loan...

Are those the children...? :lol:
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:46 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:I really have to laugh at your stupidity because all the solutions you suggest to expand platform length or run extra lines alongside existing track are simply not workable.

I have already shown the capacity consequences of running slow and fast trains on the same track, and have explained that trying to add extra tracks alongside existing track is not feasible...similar applies to platform extensions, that quite simply there is not the land to do it, in particular in towns, without far far more destruction of property and immense disruption over many years as these new tracks are put in, yet like a broken record you repeat the same idiotic ideas without discussing the implications in terms of property acquisition, and the disruptions to service.
You are talking of thousands of houses.

As an example on the WCML they are already running maximum length trains at peak hours, 12 carriages, and are running at the tightest headway.

The sort of work being done at Euston for HS2 is the sort of work that your own ludicrous ideas would require, indeed I expect what you propose would cost more, take longer and achieve less than HS2.

That is why the idea of expanding and/or “upgrading” existing lines has been rejected in favour of the dedicated high speed line.

The night btw is when much maintenance is done...

The best bet is, as the French have done, build dedicated high speed lines, which in the case of HS2 will free up capacity on 3 other lines to some extent, namely WCML, Midland Main Line, and ECML, and indeed some of the bigger benefits will be on some regional lines in the Midlands and the North.

The ability to run substantially faster trains on the new track is a bonus flowing from the fact it will not suffer from the constraints our current lines are subject too, but the main benefits are the provision of extra capacity without the massive disruption.

The idea that platforms cannot be increased, guess what they are doing it as we speak on a main line i use and the train carriages have been increased to 12 too.

and you reckon that building a new line is going to be less destructive than expanding the existing ones. interesting concept.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:49 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:i got a good idea what they can do with the 90 odd billion they are saving by canceling the project, they can ay the the debt they dumped on our children who attended university



You mean the 50% of children that Labour's Tony Blair encouraged to go to university...? :roll:

So instead of the brightest and the best going, huge numbers of children go and are funded by loans from the government.

And because they are largely unsuited to university they take utterly pointless courses like the arts, humanities and gender studies thus guaranteeing that they'll never achieve gainful employment and be able to pay their loans back.

And then the government writes off their loan...

Are those the children...? :lol:

their loan? i paid my taxes for 40 years so my children have to get a loan to educate themselves. fak off you ignorant kant. i bet you are one of those asses that don't have no gciiiis right?
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:13 pm

Lordo wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:i got a good idea what they can do with the 90 odd billion they are saving by canceling the project, they can ay the the debt they dumped on our children who attended university



You mean the 50% of children that Labour's Tony Blair encouraged to go to university...? :roll:

So instead of the brightest and the best going, huge numbers of children go and are funded by loans from the government.

And because they are largely unsuited to university they take utterly pointless courses like the arts, humanities and gender studies thus guaranteeing that they'll never achieve gainful employment and be able to pay their loans back.

And then the government writes off their loan...

Are those the children...? :lol:

their loan? i paid my taxes for 40 years so my children have to get a loan to educate themselves. fak off you ignorant kant. i bet you are one of those asses that don't have no gciiiis right?



And the people that choose not to have kids...? They should be forced to educate yours because you had them but can't be arsed to do it yourself...?

And you call me a cunt... :roll:
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:17 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:i got a good idea what they can do with the 90 odd billion they are saving by canceling the project, they can ay the the debt they dumped on our children who attended university



You mean the 50% of children that Labour's Tony Blair encouraged to go to university...? :roll:

So instead of the brightest and the best going, huge numbers of children go and are funded by loans from the government.

And because they are largely unsuited to university they take utterly pointless courses like the arts, humanities and gender studies thus guaranteeing that they'll never achieve gainful employment and be able to pay their loans back.

And then the government writes off their loan...

Are those the children...? :lol:

their loan? i paid my taxes for 40 years so my children have to get a loan to educate themselves. fak off you ignorant kant. i bet you are one of those asses that don't have no gciiiis right?



And the people that choose not to have kids...? They should be forced to educate yours because you had them but can't be arsed to do it yourself...?

And you call me a cunt... :roll:

well yeah asshole cause when those selfish bastards like you who will need a doctor or a lawyer they should be sent to the local vosko. so not only did you not go to uni, you had no kids either.
when it comes to educating my kids, why did i pay all those taxes for all those decades asshole.
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Re: hs2 - what a disaster

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:13 pm

Lordo wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:i got a good idea what they can do with the 90 odd billion they are saving by canceling the project, they can ay the the debt they dumped on our children who attended university



You mean the 50% of children that Labour's Tony Blair encouraged to go to university...? :roll:

So instead of the brightest and the best going, huge numbers of children go and are funded by loans from the government.

And because they are largely unsuited to university they take utterly pointless courses like the arts, humanities and gender studies thus guaranteeing that they'll never achieve gainful employment and be able to pay their loans back.

And then the government writes off their loan...

Are those the children...? :lol:

their loan? i paid my taxes for 40 years so my children have to get a loan to educate themselves. fak off you ignorant kant. i bet you are one of those asses that don't have no gciiiis right?



And the people that choose not to have kids...? They should be forced to educate yours because you had them but can't be arsed to do it yourself...?

And you call me a cunt... :roll:

well yeah asshole cause when those selfish bastards like you who will need a doctor or a lawyer they should be sent to the local vosko. so not only did you not go to uni, you had no kids either.
when it comes to educating my kids, why did i pay all those taxes for all those decades asshole.


For the railways and the NHS and everything else you get for 'free'... Your mental health care for instance...? :lol:
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