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[erolz66]

I’ve said, I think on several occasions, there really isn’t anything to debate or “engage” about. The fundamentals are quite simple and if beyond your (and similar others) capacity to accept then what’s there to discuss? I post because I like sticking a pin in what I regard as pompous outpourings here. Some even from people who have virtually no connection to the UK. What I don’t do is substitute this for reality. Spending hour upon hour in here every day.

The pro active Brexit post of yours that prompted my first or maybe 2nd Brexit post since 2016 was a Guido article about Bercow. Nothing fundamental there at all. Just partisan propaganda from the most biased of sources about a 'detail'. I stuck a pin in the blatant inaccuracies, as I saw them, in the article you posted and you then declared ' do not want to talk about it'. To use your own 'tactics', it might well make you feel better to believe that you 'stick to the fundamentals' but the evidence speaks otherwise I suggest.

FWIW, after reading all this stuff for quite a long time, it strikes me that a couple of our “Democrats” probably suffer from personality disorders which impact upon their daily lives. It’s not unusual to find this on forums, which act as a form of compensating mechanism, giving them an element of relief from trials suffered in the real world. Fascinating stuff actually.

Again just classic ad homiem attacks is all I see. You theory would seem to be, you are normal, anyone who disagrees with you is suffering from personality disorder but those who actually display the most symptoms of personality disorder (and have little to no connection to the UK to boot) but happen to agree with you are never worthy of any mention.

[erolz66]

And to get back on topic and in the spirit of debate that involves me sharing my opinion and in turn listening to and considering others, rather than debate involving me telling other people they are wrong and I am right , fundamentally and that the only reason there could be any disagreement is because those who disagree with me are suffering from personality disorders.

My thoughts on the current situation.

If I were an MP and had a vote I think I would vote for this deal, without any referendum amendment. Not and easy decision but on balance given all that has gone before and the still present danger of a exit without any agreement or transition period that is what I think I would do currently. If it leads over time to a majority in NI supporting Irish reunification then I have no real problem with that. Let's get this phase done and move on to the real fight yet to come. Namely to what degree will we allow a radical right to use this exit to pursue policies aimed at rolling back things like workers rights and protections, food standard, environmental standards and maintaining and protecting the principle and practice of socialised universal health care as embodied by the NHS.

So my hope is that a majority in the commons will support the deal. As I have always said I would accept any deal, including a clean break / no deal exit that could command majority support in the commons. I hope this turns out to be such a deal, though the numbers look very very tricky to me despite my hope.

I would welcome hearing others views on this deal, on if they think MPs should support it or not and why, most especially from the likes of CG, Paphitis and Londonrake. That would be of more interest to me right now than hearing their opinions on what is wrong with the forum and the individuals who do not see the same 'fundamentals' as them.

[Pyrpolizer]

I’ve said, I think on several occasions, there really isn’t anything to debate or “engage” about. The fundamentals are quite simple and if beyond your (and similar others) capacity to accept then what’s there to discuss? I post because I like sticking a pin in what I regard as pompous outpourings here. Some even from people who have virtually no connection to the UK. What I don’t do is substitute this for reality. Spending hour upon hour in here every day.

FWIW, after reading all this stuff for quite a long time, it strikes me that a couple of our “Democrats” probably suffer from personality disorders which impact upon their daily lives. It’s not unusual to find this on forums, which act as a form of compensating mechanism, giving them an element of relief from trials suffered in the real world. Fascinating stuff actually.

Why don't you admit you can't debate?
Why don't you admit that you wasted most all your life without the right to question anything, Aye Aye Sir?
Isn't it true that the vast majority of your posts in this forum were attacks on Robin Hood repeating ad nauseam the way you managed to Kick him out from another forum?
I personally consider you an irritating and snobbish person who has nothing useful to say, no arguments, a person who just concentrates on personal attacks.
Really wondering what you are doing here?
Possibly waiting for Robin Hood to show up to start another round of your personal vendetta?
Just explain us why you are here. It looks to me you 'd be better of at facebook. Hundreds of groups at FB where everybody agrees.
It would do you good, really! Choose one where all men wear a uniform, that would be even better

[Lordo]

so anyway,where are we. b'stard has been declared as actually managing to get the eu to change the withdrawal agreement wnen in fact the withdrawal agreement is as it was with may. no change there. what has happened the back stop is removed and in its place we now have as a border the irish sea. In fact that was what the backstop was going to do anyway. condiering the eu always said to may and b'stard when you have alternative arrangements we can document legally lets talk.

from where i am looking itis a cave in by the b'stard and his gang. ironically even erg is heading for the hill and desrted the dup. now that i am not unhappy about. but all this back stabbing, where will it lead to.

[Pyrpolizer]

And to get back on topic and in the spirit of debate that involves me sharing my opinion and in turn listening to and considering others, rather than debate involving me telling other people they are wrong and I am right , fundamentally and that the only reason there could be any disagreement is because those who disagree with me are suffering from personality disorders.

My thoughts on the current situation.

If I were an MP and had a vote I think I would vote for this deal, without any referendum amendment. Not and easy decision but on balance given all that has gone before and the still present danger of a exit without any agreement or transition period that is what I think I would do currently. If it leads over time to a majority in NI supporting Irish reunification then I have no real problem with that. Let's get this phase done and move on to the real fight yet to come. Namely to what degree will we allow a radical right to use this exit to pursue policies aimed at rolling back things like workers rights and protections, food standard, environmental standards and maintaining and protecting the principle and practice of socialised universal health care as embodied by the NHS.

So my hope is that a majority in the commons will support the deal. As I have always said I would accept any deal, including a clean break / no deal exit that could command majority support in the commons. I hope this turns out to be such a deal, though the numbers look very very tricky to me despite my hope.

I would welcome hearing others views on this deal, on if they think MPs should support it or not and why, most especially from the likes of CG, Paphitis and Londonrake. That would be of more interest to me right now than hearing their opinions on what is wrong with the forum and the individuals who do not see the same 'fundamentals' as them.

I don't follow this forum regularly because I usually find nothing interesting to talk about. The last time I was here was on March 27, followed by a single post in May 6. There was a lot of discussion about Brexit before but none interested me. I only got interested in late August. (probably this may clear some of LR's assumptions)
Without having studying anything about it, I expressed the view that in no other country could the Judiciary (The parliament) reject the Executive body (Theresa May's deal) because that would be unconstitutional. I don't know if I was right or wrong on that, but I still believe such an important issue should not be upto the parliament to approve but on the people themselves via referendum.
I still hold the same view.
Regardless, I believe the UK parliament should approve it, basically because there cannot be any better deal.
And if they reject it once again, then Bojo should put it on referendum.

[Lordo]

now this is very interesting because a brexiter calimed some very interesting things about northern ireland border and brexit and the consequences.

[Lordo]

But this one is the icing on the cake. good ol nige telling us some very important thoughts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

There could be unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin on 23 June, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said.

Mr Farage said he believed the Leave campaign were on course for victory.

But he said there would be resentment, particularly in the Conservative Party, if not, with claims the referendum will not have been a fair contest.

Number 10 said Mr Farage's comments showed he was losing the argument and was no longer confident of winning.

And Prime Minister David Cameron said it was a "once in a generation, once in a lifetime" decision, saying the UK had "referendums not Neverendums".

There are less than six weeks until voters go to the polls to decide whether they want the UK to stay in or leave the European Union.

The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

so much for a second vote being undemocratic.

[Mustiejodu]

We are nearly there. I can smell freedom from the oppressive EU. Cyprus you got your independence from the oppressive British rule but then gave it all away when you joined EU. Big mistake. We will be leaving this undemocratic organisation soon and will never look back. We love our European neighbours but it is not necessary to go to bed with each other.

[Paphitis]

[Paphitis]

We are nearly there. I can smell freedom from the oppressive EU. Cyprus you got your independence from the oppressive British rule but then gave it all away when you joined EU. Big mistake. We will be leaving this undemocratic organisation soon and will never look back. We love our European neighbours but it is not necessary to go to bed with each other.

Congratulations Mustie and I wish you and your family a Happy Brexit/Independence Day on 31st of October.

The fight in Cyprus and the rest of Europe continues and slowly slowly more and more people are joining our ranks once they see and learn what the EU is really all about. Eventually the slaves rise up against their oppressors.

Britain is the pioneer here and they must be congratulated on their victory and also revered and respected for standing up against the oppressive EU. BRAVO!