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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:37 pm

erolz66 wrote:
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Lordo wrote:interesting how b'stard missed the whole issue of what may have caused the terror attack last friday. he went straight for convicted terrorists serving their full sentence. what will that do other than delay the same thing happening for some time later. the real issue is the fact that this young man actually asked to be helped to be deradicalised and was refused. this does not just apply to convicted terrorists but all criminals. we lock them up and only they know what they suffer in prison and then we release them into the community with no help.

what the hell do people expect to happen?


Shut up you idiot! :roll:


Do you in any way imagine that just by calling Lordo an idiot and telling him to shut up, you are in any way exposing flaws or weaknesses in the argument he is putting forward ? Or is this just you lashing out in frustration because you do not have the ability to expose flaws and weaknesses in the argument being presented ?


Read Bore-Dough's posts... There is little point responding to the illiterate ringpiece in any other way... :lol:

If anybody exposes a flaw or weakness in his argument he just repeats them with added insults and profanity... :roll:


Do you seriously think if Usman Khan had been released only after serving his full 14 years , with no early release on license at all, he would then no longer have been a danger to society ? That to me seemed to be the argument put forth. That longer sentences can not solve the issue , they can only delay it. Yes I know you personal view is he should just have been shot in the back of the head but surely even you must accept that the democratic majority in the UK do not share such a view ?


Well, that is bollox - the majority of the public support the death penalty, which is largely why they haven't been given a vote on it... :wink:
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Re: what next?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:38 pm

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Lordo wrote:interesting how b'stard missed the whole issue of what may have caused the terror attack last friday. he went straight for convicted terrorists serving their full sentence. what will that do other than delay the same thing happening for some time later. the real issue is the fact that this young man actually asked to be helped to be deradicalised and was refused. this does not just apply to convicted terrorists but all criminals. we lock them up and only they know what they suffer in prison and then we release them into the community with no help.

what the hell do people expect to happen?


Shut up you idiot! :roll:


Do you in any way imagine that just by calling Lordo an idiot and telling him to shut up, you are in any way exposing flaws or weaknesses in the argument he is putting forward ? Or is this just you lashing out in frustration because you do not have the ability to expose flaws and weaknesses in the argument being presented ?


Read his post....my response to that nonsense was completely appropriate and valid.

As to exposing flaws...his entire post is flawed and so to the mindset that the West somehow provoked the attack because they waged war against the brutal thugs of the ISIS Caliphate. He seems to insinuate that its the West's fault and they shouldn't have declared war on the caliphate and ultimately dismantle it into oblivion like they deserve. A Caliphate that waged war on innocent civilians, Kurds, Assyrians, Christians, Azidi, and Turkmen.

All I can say is hooray for The Coalition and this victory for goodness against evil. HOORAY.

Sadly, we have casualties but to make insensitive remarks like he did saying it's our fault is just stupid and insane.

In my view however, The Coalition DIDN"T do enough. We should have stayed in Syria to help the Kurds from the criminal Turks.


Do you seriously believe that the foreign policy decision we make play no part what so ever in fuelling domestic terrorism and those prepared to perpetrate it ? That if we had pursued a foreign policy for the last 30 years that matched say Iceland's, then attacks like these would have occurred in the same way and to the same degree anyway ? Is that what you believe ?
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:39 pm

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Lordo wrote:interesting how b'stard missed the whole issue of what may have caused the terror attack last friday. he went straight for convicted terrorists serving their full sentence. what will that do other than delay the same thing happening for some time later. the real issue is the fact that this young man actually asked to be helped to be deradicalised and was refused. this does not just apply to convicted terrorists but all criminals. we lock them up and only they know what they suffer in prison and then we release them into the community with no help.

what the hell do people expect to happen?


I personally expect them to be locked up and have the key thrown away...

...or be treated with a 9mm in the back of the head which would be cheaper obviously...

Either option would guarantee they wouldn't do it again so that is fine by me.

that is enlightening indeed. so these people you hate do that sort of thing and you hate them and yet you would do the same given half a chance to people you hate.
have you considered reading sigmund freud?
he may learn you a few things about yourself.
mainly what an absolute tosser you are you grotesque excuse for a fakin uman.



cyprusgrump wrote:Read Bore-Dough's posts... There is little point responding to the illiterate ringpiece in any other way... :lol:

If anybody exposes a flaw or weakness in his argument he just repeats them with added insults and profanity... :roll:



My case rests... :lol:
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Re: what next?

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:40 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:interesting how b'stard missed the whole issue of what may have caused the terror attack last friday. he went straight for convicted terrorists serving their full sentence. what will that do other than delay the same thing happening for some time later. the real issue is the fact that this young man actually asked to be helped to be deradicalised and was refused. this does not just apply to convicted terrorists but all criminals. we lock them up and only they know what they suffer in prison and then we release them into the community with no help.

what the hell do people expect to happen?


Shut up you idiot! :roll:


Do you in any way imagine that just by calling Lordo an idiot and telling him to shut up, you are in any way exposing flaws or weaknesses in the argument he is putting forward ? Or is this just you lashing out in frustration because you do not have the ability to expose flaws and weaknesses in the argument being presented ?


Read his post....my response to that nonsense was completely appropriate and valid.

As to exposing flaws...his entire post is flawed and so to the mindset that the West somehow provoked the attack because they waged war against the brutal thugs of the ISIS Caliphate. He seems to insinuate that its the West's fault and they shouldn't have declared war on the caliphate and ultimately dismantle it into oblivion like they deserve. A Caliphate that waged war on innocent civilians, Kurds, Assyrians, Christians, Azidi, and Turkmen.

All I can say is hooray for The Coalition and this victory for goodness against evil. HOORAY.

Sadly, we have casualties but to make insensitive remarks like he did saying it's our fault is just stupid and insane.

In my view however, The Coalition DIDN"T do enough. We should have stayed in Syria to help the Kurds from the criminal Turks.


Do you seriously believe that the foreign policy decision we make play no part what so ever in fuelling domestic terrorism and those prepared to perpetrate it ? That if we had pursued a foreign policy for the last 30 years that matched say Iceland's, then attacks like these would have occurred in the same way and to the same degree anyway ? Is that what you believe ?


Do you seriously think that you are smart?

You are an idiot. If we didn't make the policy decisions we made, thousands more would be killed, genocides would be accomplished and the Caliphate would still exist.

Another idiot!
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Re: what next?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:42 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:Well, that is bollox - the majority of the public support the death penalty, which is largely why they haven't been given a vote on it... :wink:


The question is do a majority support the death penalty for the severity of crime that he was originally jailed for. As to this idea that we have not been given a referendum on death penalty because we can not be trusted to vote the right way, there are any number of issue you could apply that theory too but that somehow I suspect you do not apply it too. Like issue around climate change to give just one example but they are legion.
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:44 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
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Lordo wrote:interesting how b'stard missed the whole issue of what may have caused the terror attack last friday. he went straight for convicted terrorists serving their full sentence. what will that do other than delay the same thing happening for some time later. the real issue is the fact that this young man actually asked to be helped to be deradicalised and was refused. this does not just apply to convicted terrorists but all criminals. we lock them up and only they know what they suffer in prison and then we release them into the community with no help.

what the hell do people expect to happen?


Shut up you idiot! :roll:


Do you in any way imagine that just by calling Lordo an idiot and telling him to shut up, you are in any way exposing flaws or weaknesses in the argument he is putting forward ? Or is this just you lashing out in frustration because you do not have the ability to expose flaws and weaknesses in the argument being presented ?


Read Bore-Dough's posts... There is little point responding to the illiterate ringpiece in any other way... :lol:

If anybody exposes a flaw or weakness in his argument he just repeats them with added insults and profanity... :roll:

that's just not true and you know it. i am well prepared to be learnt by others so long as they are right. but if they just repeat myths and beliefs that are just plain stupid, what do you expect.

lets face it, b'stard will come unstuck because this unfortunate individual actually asked for some help to be de-radicalised and so did his lawyer. and of course b'stard said there was no money for that sort of thing. now of course you really do not understand how pibol are groomed for what ever deeds their groomers prepare them to do. to your stupid mind, they are just acting and do not need to be deradicalised at all. but this idea of putting a bullet into the back of somebody 's head is not as easy as it sounds. and if it is for you, you are in need of help and medication. you seem to ignore all specialist knowledge on the matter and pass judgment as if it is the same level as the sheep you tend to. to call you a a sheepherder is an insult to all sheepherders because they are more aware of the world than you are.
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Re: what next?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:51 pm

Paphitis wrote:Do you seriously think that you are smart?

You are an idiot. If we didn't make the policy decisions we made, thousands more would be killed, genocides would be accomplished and the Caliphate would still exist.

Another idiot!


We are just talking at cross purposes here.

Whatever foreign policy decisions you make, you can make them acknowledging that they can do and will have an impact on things like domestic terrorism, or you can make them denying that there is any such connection at all.

I think we should accept reality and factor that in to such foreign policy decisions. If we end up making the same decisions having done that, then all well and good. You seem to me to be arguing that we should just deny this reality even exists, not factor it in at all and principally because doing so, ignoring reality, is more likely to lead to foreign policy decision you personally think are the right ones.
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:59 pm

Lordo wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:interesting how b'stard missed the whole issue of what may have caused the terror attack last friday. he went straight for convicted terrorists serving their full sentence. what will that do other than delay the same thing happening for some time later. the real issue is the fact that this young man actually asked to be helped to be deradicalised and was refused. this does not just apply to convicted terrorists but all criminals. we lock them up and only they know what they suffer in prison and then we release them into the community with no help.

what the hell do people expect to happen?


Shut up you idiot! :roll:


Do you in any way imagine that just by calling Lordo an idiot and telling him to shut up, you are in any way exposing flaws or weaknesses in the argument he is putting forward ? Or is this just you lashing out in frustration because you do not have the ability to expose flaws and weaknesses in the argument being presented ?


Read Bore-Dough's posts... There is little point responding to the illiterate ringpiece in any other way... :lol:

If anybody exposes a flaw or weakness in his argument he just repeats them with added insults and profanity... :roll:

that's just not true and you know it. i am well prepared to be learnt by others so long as they are right. but if they just repeat myths and beliefs that are just plain stupid, what do you expect.

lets face it, b'stard will come unstuck because this unfortunate individual actually asked for some help to be de-radicalised and so did his lawyer. and of course b'stard said there was no money for that sort of thing. now of course you really do not understand how pibol are groomed for what ever deeds their groomers prepare them to do. to your stupid mind, they are just acting and do not need to be deradicalised at all. but this idea of putting a bullet into the back of somebody 's head is not as easy as it sounds. and if it is for you, you are in need of help and medication. you seem to ignore all specialist knowledge on the matter and pass judgment as if it is the same level as the sheep you tend to. to call you a a sheepherder is an insult to all sheepherders because they are more aware of the world than you are.



So this is the thing...

If they catch a burglar and he goes to jail I'm all for giving him help, 'treatment' as you call it and assistance, training or whatever while he is there.

In my mind, there is simply no point letting him out with a criminal record if he has no access to funds or the means to support himself. I'd keep him in* until he has a trade or means to support himself so that society could be reasonably confident that he would not re-offend then next time he needed some cash. But if he did re-offend it wouldn't be the end of the world (although terribly traumatic for the victim) and he wouldn't get another chance in my book. Throw away the key.

But for terrorists, or people that have been 'radicalised' as you call it, how can you ever be certain that they will not re-offend...? Even after treatment, training or whatever...? What stops them slipping back into the mosque and being re-radicalised? People that commit crimes that most normal human beings cannot even get their heads around - can they ever be 'cured'...?

And of course, if they do re-offend, it isn't just somebody having their telly and wedding ring stolen, it is people losing their lives and others being traumatised for the rest of theirs. The government surely owes it to the public to reduce the chances of that to 0%...?
















* Not a first offender with some reasonable excuse/reason but a repeat offender whose 'trade' is clearly burglary...
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:03 pm

its interesting that the father of the victim said his son would not wish this incident to be used to introduce any draconian measures and yet here is b'stard anouncing that he will look into 74 other cases of people released early in similar circumstances. having been released they have not caused any problems and yet they may well be returned to prison, so what's he going to do? put them back into prison and will that solve the problem.

very interesting conversation this morning on lbc. the daughter of the swinehound mp killed in the brighton bomb in 84 actually asked to meet the bomber after he was released. the asshole presenter was trying to get something he can attack the ira with and and asked to comment what was the first thing she said to him, and of course her comment surprised him. she first did not want to say what she told him but he insisted and she replied. she said she thanked him for meeting her. also after talking to him, she was able to have closure and was passionate about the good friday agreement and how it had helped stop the killings and must be protected at all costs.

He still went on about how he cannot forgive these people. who the fak cares what he thinks. here is an individual who has forgiven the individual responsible for her father's death and here is an asshole who wants to continue with the hatred. another asshole presenter will never forgive corbyn for talking to members of the ira or hammas while we have assholes in government who were taking cocaine while corbyn was trying to help the peace processes.

lets face it unless you make a huge effort in re-educating yourself you will remain as you were born, assholes.
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Re: what next?

Postby Londonrake » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:11 pm

The legislation which allowed Mr Khan (no relation, apparently) to get out, having only served half of his term, was implemented by Labour in 2008. It was revoked in 2012 by the Tories but wasn't retrospective. So Khan, having been convicted prior to 2012, only did half of his porridge, due to Labour policy. Get it?

You're right CG. Dialogue with Mr Lordo is a total "faikin" waste of time. That, due to his being a robotic "kant" without an original thought in his "stupid" head. He's a "Faiking" moron.

There - if you're going to be hypocritical better make a good job of it. :lol:

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