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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:25 am

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RichardB wrote:FFS Children if you're going to argue about school at least get the spelling correct.... It's Eton not Eaton


Did you have any doubt or confusing what so ever as to what actual school we were talking about because of our misspelling of it's name ?


Myself personally no. But others who are not familiar with the school may have an interest in the thread, and research Eaton school, of which there are a few in the UK.


Fair enough.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby RichardB » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:27 am

erolz66 wrote:
RichardB wrote:FFS Children if you're going to argue about school at least get the spelling correct.... It's Eton not Eaton


This post really bemuses me. This thread is about a serious issue. You may have no interest in this issue, fine. Nothing to add to the discussion. No views to share. No arguments to make. All fine. But you you do apparently have enough interest in how I spelt Eton as Eaton. What the fuck is going on here ? Am I the 'wierd' one here thinking that the issue of the systematic abuse of children over decades is more important than how I spelt Eton ?


Actually Erol I have been following this thread with interest. I have not expressed any views because public schools have never been part of my life and never will be, so cannot add any views from personal experience.

My comment was light hearted and a way to avoid any confusion over which school you were talking about.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:28 am

RichardB wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
RichardB wrote:FFS Children if you're going to argue about school at least get the spelling correct.... It's Eton not Eaton


Did you have any doubt or confusing what so ever as to what actual school we were talking about because of our misspelling of it's name ?


Myself personally no. But others who are not familiar with the school may have an interest in the thread, and research Eaton school, of which there are a few in the UK.


I said earlier I am not familiar with the private school sector in the UK or establishments like Eton but my points are actually quite clear as I do not believe there is a huge difference with the way eton operates to other schools of similar ilk in Australia, like Geelong.

My point is that these schools have the right to exist and they offer a great service to society as a whole and the industry provides people with choice and that is extremely important in this day and age because the Government sometimes gets a bit ridiculous with its education system particularly on some social issues which are totally out there.

My argument is against the politics of envy and class warfare.

Fact is, without the private sector in Australia, education in Australia would totally collapse. The Private sector lift standards to a very high standard and relieve the Government sector for others to benefit from. That is a fact.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:30 am

Paphitis wrote:Over to you now for your evil last word.


If there is a god in the traditional christian sense, THEY will decide which of us was evil in our time here, not you. I do not fear such a judgement. You should.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:37 am

RichardB wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
RichardB wrote:FFS Children if you're going to argue about school at least get the spelling correct.... It's Eton not Eaton


This post really bemuses me. This thread is about a serious issue. You may have no interest in this issue, fine. Nothing to add to the discussion. No views to share. No arguments to make. All fine. But you you do apparently have enough interest in how I spelt Eton as Eaton. What the fuck is going on here ? Am I the 'wierd' one here thinking that the issue of the systematic abuse of children over decades is more important than how I spelt Eton ?


Actually Erol I have been following this thread with interest. I have not expressed any views because public schools have never been part of my life and never will be, so cannot add any views from personal experience.

My comment was light hearted and a way to avoid any confusion over which school you were talking about.


fair enough
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:47 am

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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:50 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Over to you now for your evil last word.


If there is a god in the traditional christian sense, THEY will decide which of us was evil in our time here, not you. I do not fear such a judgement. You should.


Who told you I believe in God? Jury is out on that one as far as I'm concerned.

So I am more than free to judge what I feel is evil and nonsense and fit for consumption and healthy for my family and yeh, I would rather they attended a Christian establishment than be exposed to your Marxist nonsense because I respect the discipline, tradition and the moral foundations they teach.

Gone are the days where I would fight religion. Now I will fight to protect them and what they stand for because what they stand for is sane and coherent and respectful.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:50 am

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Paphitis wrote:That assumption is incorrect.

The private sector is a very well run system.

The Catholic System in Australia teaches about 20% of all Australian children and academically they are superior. In fact, private schools as a whole, whether Catholic, Anglican (my children attend Anglican Schools), Lutheran and Orthodox are superior to the Public system. The standards are far greater, the facilities are better, classroom sizes are smaller, and they have the best teachers too because they pay 6 figure salaries.

The sports facilities and extra curricula activities are better organized, and best of all is the post graduation after care through the relevant post grad networks is well established and very closely knit. People win jobs just based on the Primary or Secondary School they attended.

For example, just like in the UK, if you attend such and such a school, you could be going places - just like Boris Johnson, or David Cameron.

This happens in Australia too. News Limited (Murdoch) for instance is full of Journos from a few certain schools and so on. The same can be said for the Medical and Legal fraternities and also politics.

I am a product of the Catholic System. And apart from getting called Satan before I got walloped, I can't say I really got abused or that the Sisters were bad. They were friends with my Mum and had coffee with her many times. I remember so many nice moments with them as well and that generally they were very protective of me or cared for all the children under their care. Ladies of God so what else can be said?

My children are attending Anglican Schools and the professionalism and standards here are extremely top shelf. It's faultless. But expensive. :shock:

They have to justify the fees they charge somehow, and there is no question in my mind that the children become very well grounded because of these schools.


Which assumption is wrong??
Erolz talked about the higher risk in private schools and provided a method to get it statistically.
He also talked that the system is such that tends to hide mistreatment of children in private schools.
I don't see anything wrong in those statements unless you want to believe they are wrong. Which by itself is another issue.

As for the ladies of God, give me a break. Religion is against nature, "getting married to God" and staying pure with no sex is perversion.
All sorts of sexual crimes derive from that, look at the church all around the world, all perverts who can't face reality end up in there.
Have you heard of the 2 nuns from Italy who went to Africa for preaching? Both returned pregnant! It was on the news just yesterday.

Even in my high school (kykkos Gymnasium for boys*) young female teachers who were in urgent need of a husband, were making clear passes on us... that's nature.

* NB. Thank God they abolished the system of separating the boys from girls in high schools. It was an anachronism even back then, but I was unlucky enough to be in one of the very few "separated" that existed.

A colleague who attended a Limassol private School discussed the sexual predilections of a female teacher for male pupils ....and at my UK state school a female teacher was dismissed for such activity but several male teachers who had relationships with female pupils (16 y/o plus) were not....one pair did in fact make a lovely couple and are married 40 years on...but we had the bullies and thugs in the teaching staff, but not as I recall any involved in outright pederasty.

There is (I would suggest) a factor which may enhance the risk in the UK Private systems and that is boarding where both pupils and many staff will live on site, where, for UK Catholic schools, look at Ampleforth and Down.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:57 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:There is (I would suggest) a factor which may enhance the risk in the UK Private systems and that is boarding where both pupils and many staff will live on site, where, for UK Catholic schools, look at Ampleforth and Down.


That is a significant factor in terms of sexual abuse of children in schools. It is not the only factor imo in the wider of topic of do 'traditional British public Schools' on average subject children to greater risk of harm and damage, especially emotional, than state schools. Did you watch the you tube video ?
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:33 pm

So Paphitis posted his list of the top ten 'public' (fee paying private) schools in Australia. What i did, quickly and not rigorously, was search each school name with the term 'sexual abuse'. 9 out of the 10 returned on the first page results of reports of sexual abuse at those specific schools.

Using this site https://bettereducation.com.au/school/s ... hools.aspx I sought a list of the top Australian state schools by exam result. I then applied the same test to these (only the first 5 for now as I am running out of time right now). These are the results

James Ruse Argicultural High School

Nothing

North Sydney Boys High School

Nothing

Baulkham Hills High School

A report of a male teacher 53 and a 15 year old girl having consensual intimate relationship, that as I understand was still ongoing at least as long as the girl reach age of 19

Sydney Girls High School

Nothing that appears to relate to this specific school

Sydney Boys High School

Nothing that appears to relate to this specific school
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