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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:11 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:yeh institutional responses probably because the allegations were farcical and those who were acused were probably extremely distinguished people who served the school with utter and complete professionalism and diligence.

probably because the institution ignored the allegations and smears because there was no evidence or smoking gun and because the allegations were probably made by students and families who were expelled from the school because of some misconduct involving drugs and such like that they ended up having a chip on their shoulder and made false allegations.

Sorry but I do not believe someone should be dismissed because someone comes out and fingers a teacher and makes some outrageous allegations.

I am all for the full brunt of the law coming down on teachers and people in authority who have indeed abused children in any way.


What the fuck is wrong with you Paphitis ?

John Hamilton Buckley

Buckley was a resident housemaster at Geelong Grammar during the 1980s. Buckley pleaded guilty to five charges of indecent assault upon a male person and three charges of gross indecency, one charge of sexual penetration with a person aged between 10 and 16 and one charge of possession of child pornography. The charges related to offences that took place between 1980 and 1983, when he was housemaster of a boarding house at Glamorgan. He was sentenced on 11 September 2015 to a total term of imprisonment of seven years and six months. He is required to serve four years and nine months before being eligible for parole.


This former Geelong teacher was not 'dismissed because someone comes out and fingers a teacher and makes some outrageous allegations'. He was brought before a COURT OF LAW and pleaded GUILTY to having sexual assaulted children under his care at Geelong, including a charge of SEXUAL PENETRATION of a child. THIS is a person you are describing as 'extremely distinguished people who served the school with utter and complete professionalism and diligence.' What is wrong with you Paphitis ? When you do things like this you disgust me.

You can read about this specific case in countless places including the murdoch owned Herald Sun newspaper who describes this man as "A DEPRAVED former teacher at elite Geelong Grammar who molested students has failed in his attempt to escape justice." You describe him as 'probably extremely distinguished [person] who served the school with utter and complete professionalism and diligence."

Now that is the details of just ONE of the FIVE former teachers at Geelong who have ALL been CONVICTED by COURTS OF LAW for child sex offences.

FFS.


the allegations were bought before a Royal Commission, and not to a court of law and they only thing that has come about is that the Royal Commission believed the schools mishandled the allegations and didn't investigate properly.

These people were never charged or found guilty or convicted.

I'm really sorry but I do not believe any child was penetrated at Geelong.

there were only allegations of child abuse and findings that the school mishandled those allegations. The Royal Commission found that Geelong had no formal policies and systems to deal with such allegations.

There is a big difference between a Royal Commission and the High Court of Australia.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:17 pm

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There is no unnecessary pressure being applied to the children at all. Each child will develop at their own pace and not all of them are going to become Doctors, Lawyers or NASA Astronauts just because they attend Geelong.



You are constantly throwing statements as if they are axioms and then build a whole Holy-Rosy picture around your own fallacy. The above is a clear example.

Let's take the case of any of those private schools. They admit about 300 students per year. All they check is the parents background/social status etc. They check nothing about the child, they have no idea what their mental capabilities are, they never do them an IQ test.
Wouldn't you agree that the average mental capability of those children should be around C as the average of all children?

Yet look at the results. Average academic performance A-. What does it take for a D, or E student to become an A student other than extreme pressure. What does it take for a girl who can't even understand simple maths to go from an F to say a C other than repetitive and exhaustive pressure?

Do you sincerely believe those schools have some sort of magic wand to implant higher IQ's to those children?
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:26 pm

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Paphitis wrote:
There is no unnecessary pressure being applied to the children at all. Each child will develop at their own pace and not all of them are going to become Doctors, Lawyers or NASA Astronauts just because they attend Geelong.



You are constantly throwing statements as if they are axioms and then build a whole Holy-Rosy picture around your own fallacy. The above is a clear example.

Let's take the case of any of those private schools. They admit about 300 students per year. All they check is the parents background/social status etc. They check nothing about the child, they have no idea what their mental capabilities are, they never do them an IQ test.
Wouldn't you agree that the average mental capability of those children should be around C as the average of all children?

Yet look at the results. Average academic performance A-. What does it take for a D, or E student to become an A student other than extreme pressure. What does it take for a girl who can't even understand simple maths to go from an F to say a C other than repetitive and exhaustive pressure?

Do you sincerely believe those schools have some sort of magic wand to implant higher IQ's to those children?


They do not check the parents social status. We have an egalitarian society in Australia. We have newly arrived Afghan migrants attend some of the most expensive schools in Australia. All these schools want is for the families to be fine upstanding conservative families.

They do check the child and our children undergo a serious of tests and are indeed screened. My wife and I enrolled our children for 1 yesr into a Greek Orthodox School at the age of 4 in order to prepare them for their entry into our target school. The kids do undergo IQ tests.

You are extremely delusional to think they will just let anyone in.

And yes, these schools have an extremely well established Alumni network which holds them in good stead. These networks are renowned for handing out jobs for the boys and jobs for the girls based on the Old Scholar Alumni they belong to.

they get into trouble with the law, they contact their mates to represent them and so on and so on.

It's like the Freemasons. :lol: The Alumni of certain schools like Geelong or Eton is like a secret handshake.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:37 pm

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Paphitis wrote:
There is no unnecessary pressure being applied to the children at all. Each child will develop at their own pace and not all of them are going to become Doctors, Lawyers or NASA Astronauts just because they attend Geelong.



You are constantly throwing statements as if they are axioms and then build a whole Holy-Rosy picture around your own fallacy. The above is a clear example.

Let's take the case of any of those private schools. They admit about 300 students per year. All they check is the parents background/social status etc. They check nothing about the child, they have no idea what their mental capabilities are, they never do them an IQ test.
Wouldn't you agree that the average mental capability of those children should be around C as the average of all children?

Yet look at the results. Average academic performance A-. What does it take for a D, or E student to become an A student other than extreme pressure. What does it take for a girl who can't even understand simple maths to go from an F to say a C other than repetitive and exhaustive pressure?

Do you sincerely believe those schools have some sort of magic wand to implant higher IQ's to those children?


And again, you over estimate the academic side of things and under estimate the social side of these schools.

A major reason why we want to send our kids to private schools is not exclusively so they can perform and become star students and the top of the top. yes we want them to perform well but another important factor is that our kids are protected from debauchery and utter nonsense that is invading our education system in Government run schools.

You have no idea what is occuring with the neo liberalism of the USA, Australia, UK and other EU countries. Things like same sex couples education, gender neutral studies, gender stereotype studies, boys acting effeminate, and girls....I don't know....as I find it all very confusing. Things like boys wearing a skirt if they choose to do so.

I don't think they would let boys wear skirts or use female toilets at Geelong Grammar or an Orthodox run school...it would be fun to see though.., :lol:

We just want our kids to attend innocent Christian Schools. We know that these institutions will steer away from absurdities and are quite conservative in nature. In all honesty, I think we can actually do with more of these traditional values.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:47 pm

Paphitis wrote: the allegations were bought before a Royal Commission, and not to a court of law and they only thing that has come about is that the Royal Commission believed the schools mishandled the allegations and didn't investigate properly.

These people were never charged or found guilty or convicted.

I'm really sorry but I do not believe any child was penetrated at Geelong.

there were only allegations of child abuse and findings that the school mishandled those allegations. The Royal Commission found that Geelong had no formal policies and systems to deal with such allegations.

There is a big difference between a Royal Commission and the High Court of Australia.


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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-11/ ... se/6768334

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-20/ ... fmredir=sm

https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/ne ... 97fe666ad1

You disgust me Paphitis. Now I am going to have a shower. Your determination to obfuscate and lie in order to try and defend a CONVICTED child sex abuser has made me feel dirty.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:52 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote: the allegations were bought before a Royal Commission, and not to a court of law and they only thing that has come about is that the Royal Commission believed the schools mishandled the allegations and didn't investigate properly.

These people were never charged or found guilty or convicted.

I'm really sorry but I do not believe any child was penetrated at Geelong.

there were only allegations of child abuse and findings that the school mishandled those allegations. The Royal Commission found that Geelong had no formal policies and systems to deal with such allegations.

There is a big difference between a Royal Commission and the High Court of Australia.


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https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... jkk1w.html

https://www.theeducatoronline.com/k12/n ... ims/224296

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-11/ ... se/6768334

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-20/ ... fmredir=sm

https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/ne ... 97fe666ad1

You disgust me Paphitis. Now I am going to have a shower. Your determination to obfuscate and lie in order to try and defend a CONVICTED child sex abuser has made me feel dirty.


I'm no liar Erolz. I just take all these allegations with a very large pinch of salt.

I do not condone any behaviour such as this wherever it occurs.

And I would also entrust my children to the care of institutions like Geelong Grammar in a heartbeat.

I and 99.9% of all people trust Geelong Grammar and schools like it more than any Government run school. That's because these schools are run by sane people who will not rip apart our kids childhood with utter stupidity.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:01 pm

Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote: the allegations were bought before a Royal Commission, and not to a court of law and they only thing that has come about is that the Royal Commission believed the schools mishandled the allegations and didn't investigate properly.

These people were never charged or found guilty or convicted.

I'm really sorry but I do not believe any child was penetrated at Geelong.

there were only allegations of child abuse and findings that the school mishandled those allegations. The Royal Commission found that Geelong had no formal policies and systems to deal with such allegations.

There is a big difference between a Royal Commission and the High Court of Australia.


LIAR

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/ ... de=premium

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... jkk1w.html

https://www.theeducatoronline.com/k12/n ... ims/224296

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-11/ ... se/6768334

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-20/ ... fmredir=sm

https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/ne ... 97fe666ad1

You disgust me Paphitis. Now I am going to have a shower. Your determination to obfuscate and lie in order to try and defend a CONVICTED child sex abuser has made me feel dirty.


I'm no liar Erolz. I just take all these allegations with a very large pinch of salt.

I do not condone any behaviour such as this wherever it occurs.

And I would also entrust my children to the care of institutions like Geelong Grammar in a heartbeat.

I and 99.9% of all people trust Geelong Grammar and schools lik it more than any Government run school.


Was this former Geelong teacher convicted by a 'commission' or by a COURT OF LAW for multiple child sex abuse including sexual penetration of a child? You continue to claim 'commission'. The TRUTH is it was by a court of law. When you continue to try and make it out it was by 'commission' you are lying. When you call these things allegations you are lying. He plead guilty FFS.

Disgusting. There is no other suitable description for your behaviour on this.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:03 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:It's not as if you actually care for any of the families that have their children attend these schools. You consider these families to be families of extreme privilege and you want to wage war against these families and really rape them because you envy this world because that is how people of your political persuasion roll.


Just dot it like this:

Paphitis wrote:Spoiler warning! Extreme nonsense follows.
It's not as if you actually care for any of the families that have their children attend these schools. You consider these families to be families of extreme privilege and you want to wage war against these families and really rape them because you envy this world because that is how people of your political persuasion roll.


That's not nonsense.

Erolz wants funding to stop for these schools. I am not sure how things work in the UK but let's say the Australian Government cuts funding and the private system collapses, then the entire Ayustralian Education System falls apart.

We have hundreds to a few thousand of private schools in Australia. 20% of students in Australia (that's 1 in 5) attend private schools.

In 2018:

there were 3,893,834 students enrolled in 9,477 schools
65.7% of students were enrolled in government schools, 19.7% in catholic schools and 14.6% in independent schools
teachers made up 69.5% of in-school full-time equivalent staff
the grade 7 to 12 Apparent Retention Rate for Australia was 84.5%, and
the student to teaching staff ratio for all schools and affiliations was 13.5.

I don't know what the ratio is in the UK but if it is anything like Australia then the UK Education system will also collapse without the private Sector and Etons.

Erolz is just playing politics of envy and couldn't care in the slightest about the welfare of the rich kids that go to Geelong. he even mentioned and singled out Murdoch who attended Geelong and is one of the wealthiest people on the planet. The guy is worth many Billions. He went to Geelong and he singled Murdoch out because in his mind Murdoch is a vulture.

Murdoch however DOES employ 500,000 people all over the world, whilst Erolz and you are just 2 garagiozithes!


It is nonsense by the mere fact that Erolz' family were either elitists or very rich to afford it while you are totally wrong that he doesn't care for the welfare of other rich(or not so rich) Kids. Do you honestly believe that? if yes give me one good reason for someone to describe his own suffering at such a school, just to warn other parents (you included) who might put their children under the same risk. Does that sound to you as someone who doesn't care???
Actually you own him an apology and at least a thank you for warning you.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby erolz66 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:08 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Actually you own him an apology and at least a thank you for warning you.


He owes the victims of John Hamilton Buckley and the victims of the four other former Geelong teachers, who have all been convicted in separate courts of law of child abuse crimes, an apology.

Disgusting.
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Re: The risks to children of British public schools.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:15 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:It's not as if you actually care for any of the families that have their children attend these schools. You consider these families to be families of extreme privilege and you want to wage war against these families and really rape them because you envy this world because that is how people of your political persuasion roll.


Just dot it like this:

Paphitis wrote:Spoiler warning! Extreme nonsense follows.
It's not as if you actually care for any of the families that have their children attend these schools. You consider these families to be families of extreme privilege and you want to wage war against these families and really rape them because you envy this world because that is how people of your political persuasion roll.


That's not nonsense.

Erolz wants funding to stop for these schools. I am not sure how things work in the UK but let's say the Australian Government cuts funding and the private system collapses, then the entire Ayustralian Education System falls apart.

We have hundreds to a few thousand of private schools in Australia. 20% of students in Australia (that's 1 in 5) attend private schools.

In 2018:

there were 3,893,834 students enrolled in 9,477 schools
65.7% of students were enrolled in government schools, 19.7% in catholic schools and 14.6% in independent schools
teachers made up 69.5% of in-school full-time equivalent staff
the grade 7 to 12 Apparent Retention Rate for Australia was 84.5%, and
the student to teaching staff ratio for all schools and affiliations was 13.5.

I don't know what the ratio is in the UK but if it is anything like Australia then the UK Education system will also collapse without the private Sector and Etons.

Erolz is just playing politics of envy and couldn't care in the slightest about the welfare of the rich kids that go to Geelong. he even mentioned and singled out Murdoch who attended Geelong and is one of the wealthiest people on the planet. The guy is worth many Billions. He went to Geelong and he singled Murdoch out because in his mind Murdoch is a vulture.

Murdoch however DOES employ 500,000 people all over the world, whilst Erolz and you are just 2 garagiozithes!


It is nonsense by the mere fact that Erolz' family were either elitists or very rich to afford it while you are totally wrong that he doesn't care for the welfare of other rich(or not so rich) Kids. Do you honestly believe that? if yes give me one good reason for someone to describe his own suffering at such a school, just to warn other parents (you included) who might put their children under the same risk. Does that sound to you as someone who doesn't care???
Actually you own him an apology and at least a thank you for warning you.


Oh he doesn't care alright.

He supports Corbyn and has out and out warfare against these establishment schools, probably because he wasn't treated well by these schools because he is a weirdo.

generally speaking, people who attend these schools are very protective of these institutions. They consider their school a badge of honour. Friendships between old scholars are lifelong.

People who attend schools like Eton or Geelong or other schools such as the ones my kids are attending DO NOT generally come out and support politicians like Corbyn who want to decimate and destroy these "elitist" schools (which will not happen). These schools become a part of your identity. You attend reunions decades later and catch up with old friends. You don't just leave behind a school like Geelong Grammar if you have been privileged enough to attend this institution.

The only thing that will happen is that these schools will become more exclusive and solely for the very rich and be even more out of reach to more people apart from the wealthy 2%.

You see, it's never the people like Rupert Murdoch who will suffer. he doesn't care if Geelong charges $400,000 rather than $40,000. he and his mates can still afford it and he won't even batter an eyelid.

It's the rest of us who suffer.

This is just class warfare and envy politics.
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