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Re: China is in a lot of trouble

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:40 pm

..this power of the people would not have been demonstrated otherwise.

Honk Kong, its resilience may just move Chinese Leadership to consider that fear, while a working tool the state can use to control its citizenry is not entirely practical. New thinking is required.

Also, China can no longer consider itself a disadvantaged player on the world scene. It is clear that they have isolated themselves, and unintentionally.

...if it is the people, as opposed to the People, the Leadership cares about, they will reconsider how free expression (read: democracy) works, and why.
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Re: China is in a lot of trouble

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:43 pm

...still not word in the Turkish Press, and nothing more from the MSN, on the files exposed proving Genocide against Muslim believers in China.
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Re: China is in a lot of trouble

Postby Paphitis » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:25 am

repulsewarrior wrote:..this power of the people would not have been demonstrated otherwise.

Honk Kong, its resilience may just move Chinese Leadership to consider that fear, while a working tool the state can use to control its citizenry is not entirely practical. New thinking is required.

Also, China can no longer consider itself a disadvantaged player on the world scene. It is clear that they have isolated themselves, and unintentionally.

...if it is the people, as opposed to the People, the Leadership cares about, they will reconsider how free expression (read: democracy) works, and why.


The power of the people is being demonstrated because Hong Kongers are not happy with Chinese rule and interference.

The Chinese Leadership will NEVER move RW. They are turning into an imperialistic empire flexing their muscle and they will not be like the USA by any means.

China doesn't consider itself to be disadvantaged player. they are causing a lot of issues and problems. This is only the beginning.

Eventually, I predict they will take over Taiwan, despite US support. If China invade Taiwan, I can't see the Americans help defend it and risk a nuclear exchange. I don't think the Americans consider Taiwan important enough to risk the total destruction of the entire planet into a Nuclear Winter.

For Japan, they probably would.

That's the thing with the Americans. They will reason and pick their battles.
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Re: China is in a lot of trouble

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:04 pm

...China, to be the second, or first largest economy in the world, can only survive as a member of this larger world if they have the trust, and respect of those who are their clients. They cannot succeed beyond the short-run as bullies, or autocratic authorities, they will find themselves even more isolated in these circumstances, without the confidence, or support, of those that expect from them Leadership, (just as the world has grown to expect from America (read: Western world) leadership.

...indeed, if they crush Hong Kong, China may keep control of China as it is. But that is nothing more than a short-sighted fear. China must change.
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Re: China is in a lot of trouble

Postby Lordo » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:37 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...China, to be the second, or first largest economy in the world, can only survive as a member of this larger world if they have the trust, and respect of those who are their clients. They cannot succeed beyond the short-run as bullies, or autocratic authorities, they will find themselves even more isolated in these circumstances, without the confidence, or support, of those that expect from them Leadership, (just as the world has grown to expect from America (read: Western world) leadership.

...indeed, if they crush Hong Kong, China may keep control of China as it is. But that is nothing more than a short-sighted fear. China must change.

i am not so sure about that rw, the amerigi have done well out of that sort of thing.
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Re: China is in a lot of trouble

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:01 pm

The whole report that this references is 102 pages …. This is Pepe Escobar’s opinion with links to the Munich Conference full report which is a long read ………………………

Munich Conference Reveals East-West Divide - By Pepe Escobar - Global Research, February 20, 2020

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West is more

Yet it was Chinese State Councillor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi who really got to the heart of the matter. While stressing that “strengthening global governance and international coordination is urgent right now,” Wang said, “We need to get rid of the division of the East and the West and go beyond the difference between the South and the North, in a bid to build a community with a shared future for mankind.”

“Community with a shared future” may be standard Beijing terminology, but it does carry a profound meaning as it embodies the Chinese concept of multilateralism as meaning no single state has priority and all nations share the same rights.

Wang went farther: The West – with or without Westlessness– should get rid of its subconscious mentality of civilization supremacy; give up its bias against China; and “accept and welcome the development and revitalization of a nation from the East with a system different from that of the West.” Wang is a sophisticated enough diplomat to know this is not going to happen.
Wang also could not fail to raise the Westlessness crowd’s eyebrows to alarming heights when he stressed, once again, that the Russia-China strategic partnership will be deepened – alongside exploring “ways of peaceful coexistence” with the US and deeper cooperation with Europe.

What to expect from the so-called “system leader” in Munich was quite predictable. And it was delivered, true to script, by current Pentagon head Mark Esper, yet another Washington revolving door practitioner.

21st Century threat

All Pentagon talking points were on display. China is nothing but a rising threat to the world order – as in “order” dictated by Washington. China steals Western know-how; intimidates all its smaller and weaker neighbours; seeks an “advantage by any means and at any cost.”

As if any reminder to this well-informed audience was needed, China was once again placed at the top of the Pentagon’s “threats,” followed by Russia, “rogue states” Iran and North Korea, and “extremist groups.” No one asked whether al-Qaeda in Syria is part of the list.

The “Communist Party and its associated organs, including the People’s Liberation Army,” were accused of “increasingly operating in theatres outside China’s borders, including in Europe.” Everyone knows only one “indispensable nation” is self-authorized to operate “in theatres outside its borders” to bomb others into democracy.

Read the rest here …………….. you won’t find it referenced in any detail in the MSM: :roll:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/munich-conference-reveals-east-west-divide/5704149
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Re: China is in a lot of trouble

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:24 pm

..."fear" as a means of control is outdated, with an open and ever increasingly smaller world.

Overcoming fear, making choices that are informed, and measured in such a Modern Age (read: Information Age) requires from us as Humans, this confidence: to make rational choices toward bettering ourselves; it's really that simple, except for the word "rational" a variable it seems of infinite proportion in our ignorance, as such.

...i still say China is adapting, to rule the world, that too (climate change) is only thirty to fifty years away. Having more faith in the Human race, and, the People, i believe, to survive, to grow, and to capitalise on this as success, China will change, harnessing this fear toward a greater integration with others like them with the same fears, because it is natural; unnatural by its own definition, to end the cruel Imperialism, they, their ruling elite our bound to represent.

...the epidemic is a good example of real fear, greater than fear manipulated, where fear itself is the enemy, an enemy and a threat which has no boundaries.

Let's hope China, and the rest of us, learn a good deal from our present fears, and in overcoming them, bettering the world we all must live in.
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