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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:58 am

They don't have to agree to a thing.

Problem solved!
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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:46 am

...if the Israelis agree to it completely. it is a starting point for negotiations, perhaps.

So far it is on the table.

Sadly, having been called an Agreement, those that agree will not hesitate to move it along as it is; a fait accompli.

...the Arabs, so to speak, have remained strangely silent, maybe it is to be expected; if the document is a complete non-starter.

...so too the Palestinians, a more measured response, given the explosive reactions such a threat to their sovereignty has provoked in the past.
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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:59 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...if the Israelis agree to it completely. it is a starting point for negotiations, perhaps.

So far it is on the table.

Sadly, having been called an Agreement, those that agree will not hesitate to move it along as it is; a fait accompli.

...the Arabs, so to speak, have remained strangely silent, maybe it is to be expected; if the document is a complete non-starter.

...so too the Palestinians, a more measured response, given the explosive reactions such a threat to their sovereignty has provoked in the past.


there is no agreement, so it's not an agreement.

All it is, is a proposal put forward by Trump.
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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:51 am

Paphitis wrote:They don't have to agree to a thing.

Problem solved!


That is called 'kicking he can down the road' ...... and that solves nothing as I said previously!

You gave us several posts telling us your opinion of what the Israeli's will and will not accept/allow but only one comment that addresses the Palestinians problems with this Israeli proposal! Gaza is now at the point where according to UN reports it has become almost inhabitable and one day this will explode in the Israeli's face and a lot of blood will be spilt! :(
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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:35 am

You can call it what you want.

The reality however is that Israel has its defined borders.

Yes, well I think the maps are more than just an opinion. Suicide is unacceptable.

as for the Gaza Strip and West Bank, well that has always been on the table, but the other side doesn't want to negotiate with israel and Israel doesn't want and will never negotiate anything with Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Al Quds, Hamaz or Hezbollah.

Houston, we have a problem. Well not really. Doesn't appear to be much of a problem for Israel.

I'm sure the dayton Agreements of the 90s could be a good basis, but the PLO has been compromised.
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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:57 am

Paphitis wrote:You can call it what you want.

The reality however is that Israel has its defined borders.

WRONG ...... Israel's borders have never been defined as most of what is called Israel is actually still The Occupied Territories ...... i.e. Palestine!

Yes, well I think the maps are more than just an opinion. Suicide is unacceptable.

as for the Gaza Strip and West Bank, well that has always been on the table, but the other side doesn't want to negotiate with israel and Israel doesn't want and will never negotiate anything with Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Al Quds, Hamaz or Hezbollah.

GAZA is the Israeli equivalent scenario to the Warsaw Ghetto but this time round it is the Israeli's committing the barbarities and war crimes ..... although it is considered anti-Semitic to point that out!

Houston, we have a problem. Well not really. Doesn't appear to be much of a problem for Israel.

Might IS right then! The Palestinians have never had an army or defence force until Hammas was created .... which was along time after the creation of the IDF!

Israel (Netanyahu and Kushner) were the authors of this 'proposal/agreement' ...... Trump just likes to take the credit.

I'm sure the dayton Agreements of the 90s could be a good basis, but the PLO has been compromised.
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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:02 am

Well I beg to differ.

Israels borders are defined and internationally recognized. the only contentious parts now are the Gaza strip and West Bank.

The rest is now history.

You can forget about the Golan Heights. Israel will not be returning any territory to its enemies. In fact, if the Syrian's or Iran try anything, Israel will expand its border further into Syria.

Now the question is, do the Palestinians want the West Bank and Gaza?

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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:00 am

And what is wrong with Constituencies, if as Constituencies "they" recognise as majorities holding an Agenda, that minorities do have special needs, that they should be recognised and respected, by providing for their needs, as well.

Wouldn't it be nice if in Jerusalem, religion, that is to say the religious, demonstrated the unity that God commands, that we should love one another, to be loving; is that not the Golden rule?

A Jewish state is possible in Israel, so too an Arab state, and even one Christian; yet, all these Persons, as a People and as Individuals, still need representation as such: a State based on Principal and Law that is universal, without further distinction or discrimination.

...fancy tunnels and bridges, frankly, reminds me of the wall, a frail thing which is mostly for show.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/02/02/at-e ... -dwindles/

Israel is better than this plan, it appears as though Netanyahu like Trump forgets their roots.
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Re: ...so somebody tell me if this plan is a good one

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:49 am

Paphitis wrote:You can call it what you want.

The reality however is that Israel has its defined borders.

Just because Israel 'SAY's' ....... does not make it so! There is such a thing as International Agreements and Protocols but the US and its Allies appear to only apply these to others, they claim 'exception'! Israel has only two borders agreed those with Egypt and Jordon and that could change at any time! So you are wrong again!

'Yes, well I think the maps are more than just an opinion. Suicide is unacceptable.

as for the Gaza Strip and West Bank, well that has always been on the table, but the other side doesn't want to negotiate with israel and Israel doesn't want and will never negotiate anything with Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Al Quds, Hamaz or Hezbollah.

Houston, we have a problem. Well not really. Doesn't appear to be much of a problem for Israel.

I'm sure the dayton Agreements of the 90s could be a good basis, but the PLO has been compromised.

You make these pompous predictions and badly informed comments on every thread associated with the ME/Russia/Syris etc. So far you have been wrong virtually every time. :roll:


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