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Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:30 am

Kikapu wrote:Sweden did not achieve herd immunity despite not having a lockdown. The most they got was 6% of the population, and even then, the antibodies were not long lasting in the body. Many Swedes died to Coronavirus for nothing by not having a lockdown, in the gamble to achieve herd immunity.


You continually present your (flawed) opinion as fact... :roll:

I suggest you get less of your 'news' from the Bedwetting Broadcasting Corporation.... :lol:

How is that 50% to 100% increase in daily deaths you forecast coming along BTW...? :wink:

Kikapu Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:18 pm wrote:Actually, as of recent times, 5,000 are dropping dead a day world wide. I expect those figures to rise by 50%-100% in the next 2-4 weeks.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:54 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Sweden did not achieve herd immunity despite not having a lockdown. The most they got was 6% of the population, and even then, the antibodies were not long lasting in the body. Many Swedes died to Coronavirus for nothing by not having a lockdown, in the gamble to achieve herd immunity.


You continually present your (flawed) opinion as fact... :roll:

I suggest you get less of your 'news' from the Bedwetting Broadcasting Corporation.... :lol:

How is that 50% to 100% increase in daily deaths you forecast coming along BTW...? :wink:

Kikapu Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:18 pm wrote:Actually, as of recent times, 5,000 are dropping dead a day world wide. I expect those figures to rise by 50%-100% in the next 2-4 weeks.


Now is the relative calm before the storm. :wink:

Be patient, CG. The USA alone will lead the new high death numbers soon.

Do you think all those 3rd world countries are reporting all their deaths due to coronavirus?

Do you even think those 3rd world countries even know people are dying from coronavirus?

Do you really think today we only have 5,000 deaths a day relating to coronavirus? :roll:
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:24 am

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You are disregarding the economic fallout and the cost that has to the community and people.

As such, Sweden might be on the right path.


Actually no, I am not disregarding any economic fallout, at least not yet, because up to now, majority of the people in the west have not suffered financially as they have been compensated either by the government, the employer, or both. The unemployment with extra money given than normal times. This will all change of course as countries are opening up with conditions, although these conditions will prevent returning to 100% pre coronavirus.

The “new normal” is here to stay with a lockdown or without a lockdown. The USA is now paying the price for lifting lockdown way too early as the new Covid cases are now 100%-300% more than before the lockdown first time. We can expect death rates to rise as a result. So how can the economy get better when the new cases are on a runaway path, regardless whether the country is in a lockdown or not. Sweden has failed in the control of coronavirus as they did not achieve the herd immunity at the cost of many lives and we don’t know just yet if their economy is any better than those countries which did shut down for month or two.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:48 am

Kikapu wrote:...

Do you really think today we only have 5,000 deaths a day relating to coronavirus? :roll:


Well, the official figures, which you were quoting slavishly as if they were the gospel until recently, show 5,037 deaths attributed to Covid-19 (so called) yesterday. Do I accept the veracity of this figure? No, I share your new-found scepticism but coming from a different direction. We are told there is a novel coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2, but for some reason nobody is able to isolate this virus and, while not well informed in this regard, I am given to understand that isolating a virus is the gold standard of virology and until this is done you cannot even speak of its existence with any certainty in scientific terms. Then, there are apparently ten to the power thirty-two (a very large number indeed) different viruses on our planet, and many viruses are to be found in the human body as the following chart, showing viral genera detected in each subject, shows

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(for more information you can consult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_virome )

and it is important to realize that the mere presence of virus in the body of a person who dies does not prove that the virus was the cause of death (indeed, since you will find more than one virus in the body of just about every dead person, how do you know which virus to pin the rap on?) Again, we once more find a scientific gold standard in the form of Koch’s postulates which must be satisfied to be able to claim scientifically that a microorganism is the cause of a specific disease, and isolating the virus is the first necessary step in doing so. As such, it remains scientifically unproven that the virus named SARS-CoV-2, which it is claimed exists even though it has not been isolated, causes a disease named Covid-19, which just happens to closely resemble the common flu.

What we do find is that, as various whistleblowers from the medical profession have reported, is that there is tremendous pressure on medical practitioners and institutions to diagnose patients with Covid-19 (so called) and enter this as the cause of death on death certificates, even though there is no sound scientific evidence that such a disease even exists. In virtually all cases, people who die of Covid-19 (so called) are very old and have comorbidities, and it is a matter of debate whether the latter were in fact not the cause of death. In fact, on average some 150,000 people die every day in the world, and what may be happening is that many people who die of common flu, pneumonia or other causes with flu or another virus being a contributory factor are being chalked up as Covid-19 (so called) deaths simply to inflate the figures and keep the irrational covid cult going. I would dearly love to believe that the whole thing is not a hoax and, while there is ample evidence that the figures are being inflated, there is indeed a novel virus that is causing a disease that is deadly mainly to older people with preexisting serious health conditions and is genuinely the cause of death in some cases, but I need some evidence to base this on. The mad irrational hysteria promoted by most of the media, which to a large extent receives considerable funding from big pharma either directly or through front so-called philanthropic organizations, does not to my mind stand scrutiny when examined against the views of the considerable body of experts who are risking their jobs and livelihoods in speaking out against the big pharma promoted narrative, and whose views are being censored in a harsh manner that I never thought we would see in the liberal West.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:28 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Lockdowns are a complete failure if eradication is the goal. It’s impossible to eradicate the virus.

If the goal is to ensure health services are not inundated, then they are successful.

Chy-na Virus is everywhere and will return to every country.

Cyprus hasn't had a single case of Chy-na virus, come to think of it neither has Greece or Europe !!


Europe? Are you sure. Europe is a hotspot.

I wouldn’t get comfortable if I were you. Australia didn’t have any cases and got down to 250 active cases but now we are nearing 300 new cases per day.

Cyprus and Greece will be in a worse predicament of tourists come.

What I have come to understand is this. We have active cases which are not detected. That’s because these people have no symptoms at all. But yet they have Chy-na Virus. They go to work and interact with people and infect others. It’s impossible to eradicate. Impossible.

I just wish authorities are honest. We need to find out all the facts about the Virus. Such as are we able to build immunity. If that’s the case, then herd immunity is the only way out of this. If we don’t, then we are screwed.

There are reports of a vaccine now in testing here in Australia.


Sweden did not achieve herd immunity despite not having a lockdown. The most they got was 6% of the population, and even then, the antibodies were not long lasting in the body. Many Swedes died to Coronavirus for nothing by not having a lockdown, in the gamble to achieve herd immunity.


No they haven't yet. The closest would have to be the USA and Brazil.

That's if there is such a thing as herd immunity. If there is, then the USA and Brazil are sitting pretty. The first to recover and get through the other side.

The rest of the world is locking down waiting for a vaccine that may never come. As I said, there are reports of a vaccine coming out of Australia, now being testing. But there are no guarantees that the trials will be a success.

The Swedish Government though does have a unique policy in combating Chy-na Virus. A very refreshing approach in my opinion. there objective isn't to eradicate the disease. they don't believe they can do it. They are only socially distancing but apart from that, life goes on for them as per normal. their view is to just limit the number of cases so that their health services can treat the ill. But not try and snuff it out until they reach a point of herd immunity which they will achieve in a few years. It's sensible. It limits the economic impact somewhat too. People can work and businesses can operate.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:30 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:NHS Consultant Says Staff Are Being Silenced Over COVID-19

In my opinion, and that of many of my colleagues, there has been no Covid Pandemic, certainly not in the Surrey region and I have heard from other colleagues this picture is the same throughout the country. Our hospital would normally expect to see around 350,000 out patients a year. Around 95,000 patients are admitted to hospital in a normal year and we would expect to see around a similar figure, perhaps 100,000 patients pass through our A&E department. In the months from March to June (inclusive) we would normally expect to see 100,000 out patients, around 30,000 patients admitted to hospital and perhaps 30,000 pass through A&E. This year (and these figures are almost impossible to get hold of) we are over 95% down on all those numbers. In effect, the hospital has been pretty much empty for that entire period.


I'm expecting much more of this type of stuff coming out world-wide over the next year... :wink:


I have just got round to reading this and it is very disturbing. It is sad that the author feels it necessary to hide his/her indentity to avoid the risk of dismissal and ending up desitite.

The following quote bears out what I was saying above about the inflated number of deaths from putative Covid-19:

"Regarding death certification. All staff that are responsible for this have been encouraged where possible to put Covid-19 complications as reason for death, even though the patient may have been asymptomatic and also not even tested for covid. I feel this simply amounts to fraudulently completed death certificates and has been responsible to grossly inflating the number of Covid deaths."
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:39 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:...

Do you really think today we only have 5,000 deaths a day relating to coronavirus? :roll:


Well, the official figures, which you were quoting slavishly as if they were the gospel until recently, show 5,037 deaths attributed to Covid-19 (so called) yesterday. Do I accept the veracity of this figure? No, I share your new-found scepticism but coming from a different direction.


The 5,000 daily deaths are deaths at hospitals only for the most part. Most 3rd world countries do not have the medical facilities to support all their Covid related sick people, so they die at home and not counted as a Covid related deaths. There are many so called “recovered” people died at home after being released from hospitals which are most likely not counted. Therefore, the so called official 5,000 deaths today is lower than unofficially numbers which are hard to asses, however, with the steep rise of Covid cases since lifting the lockdowns will see official death numbers climb significantly.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:07 pm

An interesting development in Germany. The opening addresses from the COVID 19 Extra Parliamentary Inquiry Committee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1qTi6GKIhU
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:15 pm

Kikapu wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Sweden did not achieve herd immunity despite not having a lockdown. The most they got was 6% of the population, and even then, the antibodies were not long lasting in the body. Many Swedes died to Coronavirus for nothing by not having a lockdown, in the gamble to achieve herd immunity.


You continually present your (flawed) opinion as fact... :roll:

I suggest you get less of your 'news' from the Bedwetting Broadcasting Corporation.... :lol:

How is that 50% to 100% increase in daily deaths you forecast coming along BTW...? :wink:

Kikapu Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:18 pm wrote:Actually, as of recent times, 5,000 are dropping dead a day world wide. I expect those figures to rise by 50%-100% in the next 2-4 weeks.


Now is the relative calm before the storm. :wink:

Be patient, CG. The USA alone will lead the new high death numbers soon.

Do you think all those 3rd world countries are reporting all their deaths due to coronavirus?

Do you even think those 3rd world countries even know people are dying from coronavirus?

Do you really think today we only have 5,000 deaths a day relating to coronavirus? :roll:


Just to be clear Kiks, are you now extending your prediction of 50% to 100% more daily deaths within 2-4 weeks from Friday July 3rd...? :roll:

Kikapu Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:18 pm wrote:Actually, as of recent times, 5,000 are dropping dead a day world wide. I expect those figures to rise by 50%-100% in the next 2-4 weeks.


I note with interest (as I think Tim noted) that the 'Gold Standard' of 'total daily deaths as reported by the ONS' has been dropped by Bedwetters for some obfuscation along the lines of...

Kikapu wrote:Do you really think today we only have 5,000 deaths a day relating to coronavirus? :roll:


Too funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:23 pm

I'm wondering if Bedwetters Kiks, MR, GR and ErLolz sit in front of their PCs with masks on in case Tim or I sneeze into our keyboards? :lol:
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