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Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:02 am

Interesting article from Sweden (no Lockdown)... It is quite long so I'll just include a summary of the points...

How bad is covid really? (A Swedish doctor’s perspective)


Ok, I want to preface this article by stating that it is entirely anecdotal and based on my experience working as a doctor in the emergency room of one of the big hospitals in Stockholm, Sweden, and of living as a citizen in Sweden. As many people know, Sweden is perhaps the country that has taken the most relaxed attitude of any towards the covid pandemic. Unlike other countries, Sweden never went in to complete lockdown. Non-essential businesses have remained open, people have continued to go to cafés and restaurants, children have remained in school, and very few people have bothered with face masks in public.

Covid hit Stockholm like a storm in mid-March. One day I was seeing people with appendicitis and kidney stones, the usual things you see in the emergency room. The next day all those patients were gone and the only thing coming in to the hospital was covid. Practically everyone who was tested had covid, regardless of what the presenting symtom was. People came in with a nose bleed and they had covid. They came in with stomach pain and they had covid.

Then, after a few months, all the covid patients disappeared. It is now four months since the start of the pandemic, and I haven’t seen a single covid patient in over a month. When I do test someone because they have a cough or a fever, the test invariably comes back negative. At the peak three months back, a hundred people were dying a day of covid in Sweden, a country with a population of ten million. We are now down to around five people dying per day in the whole country, and that number continues to drop. Since people generally die around three weeks after infection, that means virtually no-one is getting infected any more. If we assume around 0.5 percent of those infected die (which I think is very generous, more on that later), then that means that three weeks back 1,000 people were getting infected per day in the whole country, which works out to a daily risk per person of getting infected of 1 in 10,000, which is miniscule. And remember, the risk of dying is at the very most 1 in 200 if you actually do get infected. And that was three weeks ago. Basically, covid is in all practical senses over and done with in Sweden. After four months.

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That is why it is nonsensical to compare covid to other major pandemics, like the 1918 pandemic that killed tens of millions of people. Covid will never even come close to those numbers. And yet many countries have shut down their entire economies, stopped children going to school, and made large portions of their population unemployed in order to deal with this disease.

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I am not denying that covid is awful for the people who do get really sick or for the families of the people who die, just as it is awful for the families of people who die of cancer, or influenza, or an opioid overdose. But the size of the response in most of the world (not including Sweden) has been totally disproportionate to the size of the threat.

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If only 6000 are dead out of five million infected, that works out to a case fatality rate of 0.12 percent, roughly the same as regular old influenza, which no-one is the least bit frightened of, and which we don’t shut down our societies for.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:06 am

Another article about Covid dying out... This time from Locked-down UK...

Covid wards empty as virus death toll plunges

Fatalities are down 99% and some hospitals have no coronavirus patients, sparking hope that ‘herd immunity’ may be near

The number of people in hospital with Covid-19 has fallen 96% since the peak of the pandemic, official data reveals.

Hospital staff are now treating just 700 coronavirus patients a day in England, compared to about 17,000 a day during the middle of April, according to NHS England.

Last week, some hospitals did not have a single coronavirus patient on their wards, with one top doctor suggesting that Britain is “almost reaching herd immunity”.

In a further sign of good news, the virus death toll in hospitals has also plummeted. On April 10, the day the highest number of deaths was announced to the nation, NHS England said 866 people had died. On Thursday last week, there were just five hospital deaths across the entire country. It represents a fall of more than 99% from the height of fatalities during the crisis.


Why, it is almost as if the virus is dying out... :wink:
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Londonrake » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:42 am

A couple of interesting articles in the DT last week.

“Two died due to UK lockdown for every 3 the virus”. Stats during this pandemic do your head in. :eyecrazy:

“Lockdown supporters cannot bear the thought that Sweden got it right”.

I’d post them but - what’s the point? :lol:
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Kikapu » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:03 am

Londonrake wrote:A couple of interesting articles in the DT last week.

“Two died due to UK lockdown for every 3 the virus”. Stats during this pandemic do your head in. :eyecrazy:

“Lockdown supporters cannot bear the thought that Sweden got it right”.

I’d post them but - what’s the point? :lol:

It’s not as if people voted to have lockdowns or not. It was a decision taken by individual governments based on scientific studies to impose lockdowns or not for their own countries. One size does not fit for all, nor will it fit in the future under similar pandemics, should we have another one.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:10 am

Londonrake wrote:A couple of interesting articles in the DT last week.

“Two died due to UK lockdown for every 3 the virus”. Stats during this pandemic do your head in. :eyecrazy:

“Lockdown supporters cannot bear the thought that Sweden got it right”.

I’d post them but - what’s the point? :lol:


Indeed. The covid cult has turned into a quasi-religious dogma that is impervious to all reason.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby erolz66 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:33 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Indeed. The covid cult has turned into a quasi-religious dogma that is impervious to all reason.


Yet declaring that the virus is rapidly dying out almost everywhere, when in the weeks subsequent to that claim global numbers on the rate of confirmed positives is up (64%) and deaths are up (22%) is the epitome of 'reason' in your book I guess ?

There was me thinking reason dictates that if the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere, then 6+ weeks on from that point you would expect the daily rate of confirmed positives and deaths to come down and not up.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:37 pm

Londonrake wrote:A couple of interesting articles in the DT last week.

“Two died due to UK lockdown for every 3 the virus”. Stats during this pandemic do your head in. :eyecrazy:

“Lockdown supporters cannot bear the thought that Sweden got it right”.

I’d post them but - what’s the point? :lol:


Indeed... Some people just completely lack the ability to realise when they are wrong... :lol:

Still, fun for us eh...? :wink:
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:39 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Indeed. The covid cult has turned into a quasi-religious dogma that is impervious to all reason.


Yet declaring that the virus is rapidly dying out almost everywhere, when in the weeks subsequent to that claim global numbers on the rate of confirmed positives is up (64%) and deaths are up (22%) is the epitome of 'reason' in your book I guess ?

There was me thinking reason dictates that if the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere, then 6+ weeks on from that point you would expect the daily rate of confirmed positives and deaths to come down and not up.



I'm guessing you wanted to direct those comments at me...? Just goes to show you can't be right all the time eh ErLOLZ! :lol:
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:47 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:A couple of interesting articles in the DT last week.

“Two died due to UK lockdown for every 3 the virus”. Stats during this pandemic do your head in. :eyecrazy:

“Lockdown supporters cannot bear the thought that Sweden got it right”.

I’d post them but - what’s the point? :lol:

It’s not as if people voted to have lockdowns or not. It was a decision taken by individual governments based on scientific studies to impose lockdowns or not for their own countries. One size does not fit for all, nor will it fit in the future under similar pandemics, should we have another one.



Well now, that is a Straw Man argument straight out of The Book of ErLOLZ! :lol:

I don't think anybody has even mentioned on here before about Lockdown being voluntary or not... :roll:

The debate has been 'is Lockdown an appropriate response for the flu-like outbreak...? :?

I seem to remember you being in the 'Lockdown is essential camp' and also 'Sweden will crash and burn without Lockdown' camp...? :wink:

Also, didn't you say something akin to 'Let's wait for the Q2 figures and see how well Sweden has done"...?

Coronavirus: Sweden's economy hit less hard by pandemic

Sweden, which avoided a lockdown during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic, saw its economy shrink 8.6% in the April-to-June period from the previous three months.

The flash estimate from the Swedish statistics office indicated that the country had fared better than other EU nations which took stricter measures.


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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby erolz66 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:32 pm

It is overstated how much Sweden's approach to the virus is different. This is not a disease that can be stopped or eradicated, at least until a working vaccine is produced. It is too early to know if Sweden's approach has been successful or not. How this will play out in the long run, we don't really know yet, and I think it's more uncertain now than it was. One thing we know now vs back in March is that this is a very unpredictable disease, both in the way it spreads but also the kind of illnesses it causes.
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