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[cyprusgrump]

I don’t understand all the fuss about released figures that may be ±5% or even ±10%!

Does it take away from the virus?

Ummm...

[Get Real!]

So I'm off the tangent... or the tangent itself?

[Tim Drayton]

Quite... There seems to be no distinction in the press between those that die with the disease and those that actually die from it.

I don't believe there's much need to split. Even if you are 90 with no more than 6-12 months expected life time and suddenly have your lungs fill with this gore and die in less than one week, isn't it quite obvious that the cause of death is the Corona virus?

But that isn't what is happening...

People are dying of other illnesses and being tested post mortem to discover they had the virus.

Sure, there will be some that contract it and die of it but my understanding is that many in the stats just happen to die with it...

A comparison of the numbers that would normally die every day/month would seem to confirm this.

It will come to the point where somebody will fall from the top of a skyscraper and be killed and then, if a postmortem shows that person to have the dreaded virus in them, this will chalked up as yet another covid-19 death!

Yes, apparently even the weekly death statistics in Italy show fewer people dying in recent weeks in the country than in the corresponding weeks of last year. Yet if we were to believe the media hype, people are dropping like flies in Italy.

I haven't been able to find a reliable source, but it is claimed that somebody who died of a head injury following a motorbike accident in the USA was recorded as a covid-19 death!

[Tim Drayton]

07-Feb-20 14-Feb-20 21-Feb-20 28-Feb-20 06-Mar-20 13-Mar-20

10,986 10,944 10,841 10,816 10,895 11,019

You will notice that this year so far there have been if anything slightly fewer deaths than average.

Ahem, Tim.... Your stats ended on March 13th. At that time there were only eleven (11!) Corona related deaths in the UK

During week 12 (March 20th): Another 166
During week 13 (March 27th): Another 582
So far in week 14 (March 28th and 29th): Another 469 in two days

So mortality rose by 250X from your reference period til past two days

Well, we have two more weeks of data:

Week ended March 20: 10,145
Week ended March 27: 11,141

Sorry, but I am still looking for some reflection in official statistics of all the hysterical, slanted reporting.

Interesting, another week's figures are out, for the week ended April 3, and there is a jump to 16,387, which is well above the typical range for past years.

[Tim Drayton]

Some information about the relaxation of restrictions from Monday:

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/04/30/coro ... ulnerable/

I have heard that small shops selling e.g. clothing will be open on Monday. Does anyone know if this is so? I wonder if there is a different code apart from “2- Go to a shop for basics” to be used if you want to go and buy clothing, which I do.

Especially for Miltiades:

“The fisheries department also announced that amateur fishermen can go to the sea or water reservoirs for fishing as of May 4 provided that they carry with them their identity card and the amateur fishing permit.”

[CrookedRiverGuy]

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/04/30/coro ... ulnerable/

Regarding "movement of citizens from one district to another is prohibited"

What is the definition of 'district'? Does it refer to Limassol/Larnaca/... or is it a more narrow definition?

[Tim Drayton]

In Cyprus, I take that to mean Larnace, Nicosia, Limassol, Paphos etc., which is a bit arbitrary. I mean, if this is so you could go from one end of one district to another, but not go between two neighbouring villages if a district boundary passes between them.

[Londonrake]

In Cyprus, I take that to mean Larnace, Nicosia, Limassol, Paphos etc., which is a bit arbitrary. I mean, if this is so you could go from one end of one district to another, but not go between two neighbouring villages if a district boundary passes between them.

It strikes me that there's always been a lot of discretionary interpretation in this process. What does "In a reasonable time" mean for instance? Woe betide meeting the cop who's having a bad day.

[Robin Hood]

In Cyprus, I take that to mean Larnace, Nicosia, Limassol, Paphos etc., which is a bit arbitrary. I mean, if this is so you could go from one end of one district to another, but not go between two neighbouring villages if a district boundary passes between them.

It strikes me that there's always been a lot of discretionary interpretation in this process. What does "In a reasonable time" mean for instance? Woe betide meeting the cop who's having a bad day.

..... and what do you do if you have an appointment with a medical specialist in Paphos or Nicosia and you live in Limassol?

[Londonrake]

In Cyprus, I take that to mean Larnace, Nicosia, Limassol, Paphos etc., which is a bit arbitrary. I mean, if this is so you could go from one end of one district to another, but not go between two neighbouring villages if a district boundary passes between them.

It strikes me that there's always been a lot of discretionary interpretation in this process. What does "In a reasonable time" mean for instance? Woe betide meeting the cop who's having a bad day.

..... and what do you do if you have an appointment with a medical specialist in Paphos or Nicosia and you live in Limassol?

It strikes me that Option 1 - Visiting a pharmacy or a doctor or going for blood donation - seems pretty much carte blanche. I don't believe anyone's going to give you a hard time in those circumstances.

BTW. I hope the lady's well. Hopefully, Monday's opening up of hospitals more will improve things.