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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:08 pm

Paphitis wrote:Join the dots people and make up your own minds. And again, I hope I am 1000% wrong.

Trump is the biggest obstacle against these seedy people, who are losing their control and grip upon our minds. Hence, he is the most hated by them, and it is these people who control everything and the media.


How do you join the dots between Bill Gates and super rich paedophile (satanic) rings ? It is much easier if you do the research to join the Trump dot to the Epstein dot than it is to connect Bill Gates to Epstein.

Why does Bill Gates do what he does ? Probably for the same reason I am trying to do what I am to help those going hungry around me. Because the reward from such efforts is beyond money or power, of which I have fuck all and Bill gates has much.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:12 pm

And to try and get this thread back on topic

Paphitis how many times in your life when confronted by Police have you questioned if they have the legal powers to do what ever it is they request of you, rather than just do anything they ask with defference ?

How many Subject access requests have you ever made in your life ?

How many Freedom of Information requests ?

Have you personally ever done anything that could be classed as effort on your part to hold power and authority to account that did not have an objective of personal gain ? (so challenging a parking ticket does not count).
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:16 pm

Only once. When they shoved a camera crew in front of me after a routine traffic stop, I questioned their authority in doing that and treating me as a commodity for national pay TV and invading my privacy. I firmly believed at the time that this behaviour was out of order and I rebelled against them. That wasn't policing. it was a staged showbiz show for the camera at my expense and it was ridiculous. I was in so much disbelief and yet still broke out in laughter because of the ridiculousness of the situation. I took them on! Probably almost got arrested but that would have been their biggest nightmare.

Can't say I have ever been on the receiving end of the police apart from when I was a kid and being a bit of a brat.

I have no reason these days to question the police or the work they do. I do not consider them to be evil or bad, or heavy handed, or wanting to abuse people's rights.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:45 pm

Paphitis wrote:Only once. When they shoved a camera crew in front of me after a routine traffic stop, I questioned their authority in doing that and treating me as a commodity for national pay TV and invading my privacy. I firmly believed at the time that this behaviour was out of order and I rebelled against them. That wasn't policing. it was a staged showbiz show for the camera at my expense and it was ridiculous. I was in so much disbelief and yet still broke out in laughter because of the ridiculousness of the situation. I took them on! Probably almost got arrested but that would have been their biggest nightmare.

Can't say I have ever been on the receiving end of the police apart from when I was a kid and being a bit of a brat.

I have no reason these days to question the police or the work they do. I do not consider them to be evil or bad, or heavy handed, or wanting to abuse people's rights.


If you are worried about 'police state' then your duty is to always question if the police are acting within their legal powers any and every time you interact with them. This is how personal action and effort translates into a better society and how lack of doing so leads to a worse one. It is OUR responsibility to protect against a police state by such individual action. Everything other than that is pissing in the wind.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUSL8p ... WzWExJaY-w

This person has made more effort to protect against a police state with more real world effect than you or me or anyone who posts concerns about such things but DOES nothing, journalists included. After years his youtube channel has 171k followers. Videos about 'billionaire satanic pedo rings' or '5G designed to kill us conspiracies' get 10 times that amount of 'viewers' in a week. If you have spent time watching, talking about, disseminating the later and spent none watching, talking about, disseminating the former then you are individually culpable in many ways and to serious degree for any police state we end up with.


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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:06 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Only once. When they shoved a camera crew in front of me after a routine traffic stop, I questioned their authority in doing that and treating me as a commodity for national pay TV and invading my privacy. I firmly believed at the time that this behaviour was out of order and I rebelled against them. That wasn't policing. it was a staged showbiz show for the camera at my expense and it was ridiculous. I was in so much disbelief and yet still broke out in laughter because of the ridiculousness of the situation. I took them on! Probably almost got arrested but that would have been their biggest nightmare.

Can't say I have ever been on the receiving end of the police apart from when I was a kid and being a bit of a brat.

I have no reason these days to question the police or the work they do. I do not consider them to be evil or bad, or heavy handed, or wanting to abuse people's rights.


If you are worried about 'police state' then your duty is to always question if the police are acting within their legal powers any and every time you interact with them. This is how personal action and effort translates into a better society and how lack of doing so leads to a worse one. It is OUR responsibility to protect against a police state by such individual action. Everything other than that is pissing in the wind.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUSL8p ... WzWExJaY-w

This person has made more effort to protect against a police state with more real world effect than you or me or anyone who posts concerns about such things but DOES nothing, journalists included. After years his youtube channel has 171k followers. Videos about 'billionaire satanic pedo rings' or '5G designed to kill us conspiracies' get 10 times that amount of 'viewers' in a week. If you have spent time watching, talking about, disseminating the later and spent none watching, talking about, disseminating the former then you are individually culpable in many ways and to serious degree for any police state we end up with.


imo.


I'm not worried about a police state.

I served my country and the police also serve their community and society in general. I am fortunate and blessed to be in one of the best countries in the world with one of the best police forces in the world and one of the best judicial systems in the world.

I believe it is the media and people who corrupt the system. Such as when they arrested Cardinal Pell. This was one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in Australian History where a man did not receive a fair trial and was given a trial by media and hysteria. It is extremely sad when you see people salivating on others because they wanted to target a senior member of a certain religion because of the MSM hysteria and their agenda. This isn't what justice is all about. The man was guilty until proven innocent. The Australian High Court called it out for what it was - a complete and utter miscarriage and that is criminal.

I do not believe the State is bad or evil. I believe people can be remarkably stupid and little sheeple who create a lot of issues unnecessarily because of their over reliance on the hysterical and remarkably stupid or agenda driven media, and that sadly Governments react to that stupidity because politicians want to keep getting elected.

All that nonsense from the media that has it in for Trump as well. What smart people need to do is question the agenda behind it all. It's about power and them losing grip.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:37 pm

Paphitis wrote:I'm not worried about a police state.


Good for you. So you can fuck off out of this thread then, which is for people who ARE concerned about police state and might have some interest in how by simple individual action , rather than endless bloviated talk that makes no difference, they can make a real world difference. Go start you own thread if you want to talk about why people should not be worried about a police state and what they should be worried about. Please and thank you.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:41 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I'm not worried about a police state.


Good for you. So you can fuck off out of this thread then, which is for people who ARE concerned about police state and might have some interest in how by simple individual action , rather than endless bloviated talk than makes no difference, they can make a real world difference. Go start you own thread if you want to talk about why people should not be worried about a police state and what they should be worried about. Please and thank you.


Funny you are not as concerned about all the shit police have to deal with - murder, rape, pedophilia, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, violence etc etc.

In the last 2 days, we lost 5 coppers with families who were just doing their job but were put in harms way by a notorious arsehole.

that's 5 families that lose a dad, a husband and a member of the community whilst earning a crust.

You phuck off! :roll:
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:46 pm

Holding police to account is NOT anti police. It is the 'mechanism' by which we get the best possible police force we can. But it takes a modicum of person effort. As for the australian police, good as they may be, they could be better.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +australia

do you own research. but no you do not need to do that do you, because you already know everything about everything and your only 'duty' is to go arouind telling everyone that you know everything about everything and explaining why they are sheeple and you are a genius.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:52 pm

erolz66 wrote:Holding police to account is NOT anti police. It is the 'mechanism' by which we get the best possible police force we can. But it takes a modicum of person effort. As for the australian police, good as they may be, they could be better.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +australia

do you own research. but no you do not need to do that do you, because you already know everything about everything and your only 'duty' is to go arouind telling everyone that you know everything about everything and explaining why they are sheeple and you are a genius.


Holding them to account for what exactly?

When will the media and people be held to account for the wrongful jailing of Cardinal Pell because of his status in the Catholic Religion?

Where is this alleged police brutality? I have heard people talk about it, like they talked about Pell sexually abusing boys based on hearsay, but where is the proof? I have never in all my life ever witnessed or seen any police brutality.

Just because 60 minutes alleged some "police brutality" doesn't mean there was actually any "police brutality". People will jump up and down when a police officer manhandles some bozo even though he/she deserved it because they broke the law, and call it out as "police brutality" but all I see is police getting rid of some trash and taking them off the streets and out of circulation where they do not belong.

If I thought there was a problem, I would complain. But I don't believe there is a problem, and feel comfortable with our police, entrust my welfare to them and respect the job they do to keep everyone safe against crime and unsafe things and behaviors on our roads and public spaces.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:07 pm

Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:Holding police to account is NOT anti police. It is the 'mechanism' by which we get the best possible police force we can. But it takes a modicum of person effort. As for the australian police, good as they may be, they could be better.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +australia

do you own research. but no you do not need to do that do you, because you already know everything about everything and your only 'duty' is to go arouind telling everyone that you know everything about everything and explaining why they are sheeple and you are a genius.


Holding them to account for what exactly?

When will the media and people be held to account for the wrongful jailing of Cardinal Pell because of his status in the Catholic Religion?

Where is this alleged police brutality? I have heard people talk about it, like they talked about Pell sexually abusing boys based on hearsay, but where is the proof? I have never in all my life ever witnessed or seen any police brutality.

Just because 60 minutes alleged some "police brutality" doesn't mean there was actually any "police brutality". People will jump up and down when a police officer manhandles some bozo because he/she deserved it, and call it out as "police brutality" but all I see is police getting rid of some trash.

If I thought there was a problem, I would complain. But I don't believe there is a problem, and feel comfortable with our police, entrust my welfare to them and respect the job they do to keep everyone safe against crime and unsafe things on our roads and public spaces.


You always want a 'solution' that involves the fault being anyone but you. We all do but you do it to a vast degree imo.

It really is simple.

If when interacting with police they ask you 'what is your name', then to respond politely with 'why do yuo want to know, under what law are you requesting these details' you are doing your duty.

If you respond by just giving them your name for no other reason than they are a police person, then what happens is over time indivdual police people come to believe that they have a right to ask anyone what there name is at any time for any reason , regardless of what the law say. This leads to them then getting upset when people do not show this deference and sometimes to extreme abuses in such situations. This is how a police abuse happens and a police state happens, by people just automatically showing deferance to police regardless of if they have a legitimate powers to do what they do.

If you are not scared to look for yourself and make up your own mind, then look at crimebodge. One incident, ok its an exception. Two, three and on and on and then look at the attempts by police to cover up their abuses and soon realise there is a systemic issue there and WE are responsible for it by not bothering to know what a police person can and can not do and not questiong why they are asking us to do something they have no legal powers for.

now I am fed up having to do your thinking for you and way too busy right now in any case.
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