erolz66 wrote:Paphitis wrote:erolz66 wrote:Holding police to account is NOT anti police. It is the 'mechanism' by which we get the best possible police force we can. But it takes a modicum of person effort. As for the australian police, good as they may be, they could be better.
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do you own research. but no you do not need to do that do you, because you already know everything about everything and your only 'duty' is to go arouind telling everyone that you know everything about everything and explaining why they are sheeple and you are a genius.
Holding them to account for what exactly?
When will the media and people be held to account for the wrongful jailing of Cardinal Pell because of his status in the Catholic Religion?
Where is this alleged police brutality? I have heard people talk about it, like they talked about Pell sexually abusing boys based on hearsay, but where is the proof? I have never in all my life ever witnessed or seen any police brutality.
Just because 60 minutes alleged some "police brutality" doesn't mean there was actually any "police brutality". People will jump up and down when a police officer manhandles some bozo because he/she deserved it, and call it out as "police brutality" but all I see is police getting rid of some trash.
If I thought there was a problem, I would complain. But I don't believe there is a problem, and feel comfortable with our police, entrust my welfare to them and respect the job they do to keep everyone safe against crime and unsafe things on our roads and public spaces.
You always want a 'solution' that involves the fault being anyone but you. We all do but you do it to a vast degree imo.
It really is simple.
If when interacting with police they ask you 'what is your name', then to respond politely with 'why do yuo want to know, under what law are you requesting these details' you are doing your duty.
If you respond by just giving them your name for no other reason than they are a police person, then what happens is over time indivdual police people come to believe that they have a right to ask anyone what there name is at any time for any reason , regardless of what the law say. This leads to them then getting upset when people do not show this deference and sometimes to extreme abuses in such situations. This is how a police abuse happens and a police state happens, by people just automatically showing deferance to police regardless of if they have a legitimate powers to do what they do.
If you are not scared to look for yourself and make up your own mind, then look at crimebodge. One incident, ok its an exception. Two, three and on and on and then look at the attempts by police to cover up their abuses and soon realise there is a systemic issue there and WE are responsible for it by not bothering to know what a police person can and can not do and not questiong why they are asking us to do something they have no legal powers for.
now I am fed up having to do your thinking for you and way too busy right now in any case.
I don't have a problem with giving them my name, or when they come to question me for something, or when they pull me over on a routine traffic stop.
They are doing their job, and 99% of the time, I have found their behaviors to be completely normal and routine. Also, 99% of the time, they are understanding and just generally quite nice officers. You meet all sorts in Australia. Some with a great sense of humor as well. One time, one even apologized to me for giving me a fine. I responded by saying I deserved it as I violated the law and told the young officer, not to worry. We had a laugh and we both went our separate ways.
They are mosty a very remarkable bunch of people, who help the elderly, patrol our schools during drop off, and at the end of school and generally keep an eye on all of us and our children.
I have no complaints.
Of course, when they do something wrong, we have a Police Complaints Ombudsman. Police do make mistakes or can get carried away in the heat of a particular moment, but generally, they are AOK. The State does not instruct them to be anything other than be officers of the law, who must stay within the law as well as uphold the law.