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How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:23 am

This is just to provoke thought. I am writing it principally to help myself think about such things.

It takes personal time and effort to protect against state authoritarianism. Action. Words alone will and do cut very little mustard. It is actions by people that are our best defence. We have next to no influence of what others do. We have total control over the choices we make and the actions we do or do not take.

How many times in your life have you made a 'subject access request' or the equivalent in your jurisdiction ?
How many times have in your life have you made a 'FoI' request or the equivalent in your jurisdiction ?
How much time have your spent on educating yourself as to what legal powers the police do and do not have ?
In interactions with the Police or authority in general to what degree have you reacted with a starting point of automatic 'deference' towards them for convenience or any other reasons rather than from a starting point of what are their legally defined powers ?
How much of your precious life have you spent in non income generating activities that could broadly be described as attempts to 'challenge power' ?

I suggest that the real protection against Orwellian state control is action by individuals. By individuals choosing to spend time and effort that is so much more easily spent on other things. I suggest if your answers to questions like those posed above is 'low on the spectrum' and you are genuinely concerned about 'state authoritarianism' then perhaps the best starting point to try and do something about it is in questions like those above and your own personal choices and actions before just righteous pontificating about such issues in places like this forum.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Kikapu » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:11 pm

I have not personally, but I do watch a lot of “First Amendment Audits” on YouTube of guys taking on the authorities on any level with the rights they have under the US constitution, which the authorities, police especially, who violet them at all times. I support the auditors.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:27 pm

Sounds like 'talk' to me ? Do not get me wrong, what I wrote is aimed at me as much as anyone else. In relative terms I could make some claims to 'action' but that is not the point I am trying to make really. Nor do I think either of us have much history here of 'banging on' about threats to freedom compare to some but that also is not really the point.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Kikapu » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:50 pm

erolz66 wrote:Sounds like 'talk' to me ? Do not get me wrong, what I wrote is aimed at me as much as anyone else. In relative terms I could make some claims to 'action' but that is not the point I am trying to make really. Nor do I think either of us have much history here of 'banging on' about threats to freedom compare to some but that also is not really the point.

The problem is, most people do not know their rights, so they allow authorities to violate their rights believing they are being good citizens by following instructions. As one gets older and wiser and educate themselves of their rights, they have better chance not to fall victim to authoritarian rule. However, the bigger problem is, many do not object being under authoritarian rule.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:08 am

How are we supposed to get to a One World Order without draconian measures.. ? People in my opinion are too busy to notice that their rights are being taken away.. cameras everywhere we are followed by the phone we use .. etc etc the cars we drive tell anyone where we are.. draconian measures are here, now !!!
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby erolz66 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:31 am

Oceanside50 wrote:How are we supposed to get to a One World Order without draconian measures.. ? People in my opinion are too busy to notice that their rights are being taken away.. cameras everywhere we are followed by the phone we use .. etc etc the cars we drive tell anyone where we are.. draconian measures are here, now !!!


To busy or to lazy ? The time to have worried about such things was before this crisis.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Oceanside50 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:11 am

erolz66 wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:How are we supposed to get to a One World Order without draconian measures.. ? People in my opinion are too busy to notice that their rights are being taken away.. cameras everywhere we are followed by the phone we use .. etc etc the cars we drive tell anyone where we are.. draconian measures are here, now !!!


To busy or to lazy ? The time to have worried about such things was before this crisis.

It’s going to get a lot worse.. this may be a trial run for other things planned for the future. Lots of data has been collected our reactions our tolerance levels or whatever.. in my opinion without it, unfortunately without the world being on one wave length we’ll probably destroy ourselves.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:42 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:It’s going to get a lot worse.. this may be a trial run for other things planned for the future.


Seriously? What do you see that I don't? Please enlighten me!



This is probably the most valid reaction here:
CBBB wrote:Or it could just be a valid reaction to a pandemic.
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Get Real! » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:15 pm

Given that absolutely no individual or group of individuals, can possibly benefit from a worldwide shutdown then the notion that Covid-19 is some sort of cover-up for totalitarianism and/or world domination is nothing but childish bollocks!

If you were a "tyrant" taking over the world you’d want the masses to work even harder and for longer hours, not confined at home twiddling their thumbs while economies are crumbling!

Wildlife appears to be the only beneficiary from the global shutdown.

Profit-making from medical supplies and paraphernalia, doesn’t even get off the ground because there’s no point in making a profit that you can never enjoy!

Also, if there's no pandemic how come the US with the most relaxed policies has spiraled out of control with infected and dead?
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Re: How to protect against Orwellian State Authoritarianism

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:54 pm

There is a lot of stuff going on that people are not seeing. I could be wrong and barking up the wrong tree. But there is so much evil in this world. I am not just talking about being bad, but true evil beyond anyone's comprehension.

There are some (hopefully a minority) among the very rich and very powerful in Government who are so evil in their deeds, who truly strive for more power. What comes after money is power. It's a big driver for most politicians.

Trump isn't the evil one. On the contrary, people have tried to embroil him since day one but to no avail. His biggest crime is his womanizing. But that isn't a crime.

But the real evil I am talking about involves some bankers (not all of them), some elites in Hollywood, former Presidents, now deceased investment bankers, royalty and many more. Those who indulge in very evil things to young people.

The ones responsible for Epstein's death. The real depths of darkness. Because don't friggin tell me all the camera's failed at the time he supposedly committed suicide. he was whacked because he was going to squeal and reveal the depths of this evilness and expose the evil people involved in this dark world.

You may call me crazy, and you will all want me to be wrong because if I am correct there is a darkness out there that is beyond any of our comprehension.

Same with the Chy-na Virus outbreak. Tim Drayton isn't barking up the wrong tree. I hope he is but I fear he may not be. Bill Gates who made his wealth as the founder of Microsoft, has now significant holdings in the biggest Pharma companies in the world. He is a deca-billionaire. he doesn't need more money. he donates $50 million to WHO every year. Why? Why did WHO or Chy-na not isolate Wuhan at the same time as the Chy-nese CCP isolated Wuhan from the rest of Chy-na. Did they want this to escape Chy-na and infect the rest of the world? I don't know. Don't have any proof.

Gates wants the entire world to be under house arrest until they are inoculated.

Join the dots people and make up your own minds. And again, I hope I am 1000% wrong.

Trump is the biggest obstacle against these seedy people, who are losing their control and grip upon our minds. Hence, he is the most hated by them, and it is these people who control everything and the media.
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