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[repulsewarrior]

...i remember Biden's visit, and i remind you for over thirty years now, he has taken the Cyprus Problem quite personally.

...indeed, Trump is very much the person to solve this problem, so is Erdogan; but frankly i am surprised you have so much confidence in them: without a change in intentions they both need War to occupy the masses.

...and yet, they have both demonstrated a clumsy use of force, even against their own People; who knows?

[Paphitis]

...i remember Biden's visit, and i remind you for over thirty years now, he has taken the Cyprus Problem quite personally.

...indeed, Trump is very much the person to solve this problem, so is Erdogan; but frankly i am surprised you have so much confidence in them: without a change in intentions they both need War to occupy the masses.

...and yet, they have both demonstrated a clumsy use of force, even against their own People; who knows?

Right now I doubt Obiden has the faculties to be able to point Cyprus out on a map.

He had 8 years to do something with regard to Cyprus. He did nothing. The arms embargo persisted even for the entire 8 years. Not even a lifting of this embargo.

At least under Trump, it has lifted. Just with this alone, Trump has proven to have done some actions which really do favour Cyprus. No POTUS since 1974 has done that, only Trump.

Then there were many other actions, not mere words, such as:
1) embargoes against Turkey wrt F-35
2) the very good support the USN has given to Greece with regard to its rightful UNCLOS claims. Not just words but actually bringing the USN in to act as a deterrent to Turkey and actually offer Greece the support it needs along with France, probably to punish Erdogan for Libya.

Erdogan behaves like he needs war. But does he really? We have trained him to act aggressively as we have always been first to buckle in the name of peace. Erdogan knows our inclinations only too well and probably relies on Greece being the first to swerve or buckle. This gaining him political mileage. It’s Greece that needs to change its policy and take an aggressive stance.

Trump is the most anti polemic POTUS in the last 50 years. The only POTUS to never have started a war. Remember how they bought into question his trustworthiness to hold the Nuclear codes? We were made to believe that he would be scary and can the world afford for him to have such responsibilities. Well, the actual fact of the matter is this. Trump should probably be a Nobel Peace Prize candidate for what he did with North Korea alone.

[Oceanside50]

Erdogan is obviously a megalomaniac, who will stop at nothing to keep his power, he cares nothing about turkey or it’s people. After the Greek armed forces did to the Turks in the Aegean this week, including forcing a Turk submarine to surrender to a Greek sakorsky helicopter, after trapping itself around a Greek island, if Erdogan feels threatened enough politically I see him giving orders for attack but the military refusing. His end is near....


https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/08/23/t ... ncies/amp/

[Londonrake]

https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/138377-2/

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[Paphitis]

Erdogan is obviously a megalomaniac, who will stop at nothing to keep his power, he cares nothing about turkey or it’s people. After the Greek armed forces did to the Turks in the Aegean this week, including forcing a Turk submarine to surrender to a Greek sakorsky helicopter, after trapping itself around a Greek island, if Erdogan feels threatened enough politically I see him giving orders for attack but the military refusing. His end is near....


https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/08/23/t ... ncies/amp/

It's pretty damn hard. if not nearly impossible for the Turkish Navy to get through the various straits between islands and evade Greek Frigates, Submarines, Sonar, Anti Submarine Warfare Helos etc.

If the Turkish Navy tried, they are literally gonnas.

[Paphitis]

Just days ago, five Turkish submarines got trapped by the Greek military, who not only proceeded to bombard all the submarines with high ear piercing frequencies, but they also played the Beatles’ famous song, Yellow Submarine in an extremely mocking and annoying way, as reported by Greek City Times.

There is of course now the famous confrontation between the 38-year-old Greek Limnos frigate with the Turkish Kemal Reis flagship of the Turkish fleet escorting the Oruç Reis.

[repulsewarrior]

https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/colu ... atural-gas

...worth reading; poop comes to mind, but it is a well written argument worth considering.

It was made possible by repeated confrontations and crises between Turkey’s political leadership and guardianship regimes at home and abroad.

This is indeed just the beginning. Turkey has managed to “get the show on the road,” as they say. More will follow.

Having already taken giant leaps in the field of defense, Turkey could actually reach a whole new level of prestige if it discovers the kind of energy reserves in the Black Sea and the Eastern Mediterranean that it hopes to find.

..."guardianship", that time when Turkey was no longer the Ottoman Empire, but before, modern Turkey; a dark reference, in my mind, toward a "new" Turkey.

[Maximus]

European Union ministers have their scheduled meeting on Thursday and Friday to decide on how to deal with Turkeys belligerent behavior in Cyprus and Greece's, EEZ's.

Cyprus has been suggesting tougher action, Greece and France also wants sanctions but Germany is like, lets do more dialogue. So it goes,

Germany's foreign minister has been on a swift visit to both countries in these recent days to try and reduce tensions in the region. But by now, the European Union should understand Turkey very well.

These meetings where doomed to fail.

EU Chief Borrell, is considering options that are broader than sanctions, whatever that means but the next few days will tell.

[MR-from-NG]

European Union ministers have their scheduled meeting on Thursday and Friday to decide on how to deal with Turkeys belligerent behavior in Cyprus and Greece's, EEZ's.

Cyprus has been suggesting tougher action, Greece and France also wants sanctions but Germany is like, lets do more dialogue. So it goes,

Germany's foreign minister has been on a swift visit to both countries in these recent days to try and reduce tensions in the region. But by now, the European Union should understand Turkey very well.

These meetings where doomed to fail.

EU Chief Borrell, is considering options that are broader than sanctions, whatever that means but the next few days will tell.

I suppose Turkey might have a legitimate reason for the problems we're seeing today. Some Greek islands the size of a football field seem to have more eez than Turkey. Who the fuck would stand for that? RTE is hell bent on resolving this injustice and if I was Greek or GC I'd be worried, I'd be very worried.

[Maximus]

I suppose Turkey might have a legitimate reason for the problems we're seeing today. Some Greek islands the size of a football field seem to have more eez than Turkey. Who the fuck would stand for that? RTE is hell bent on resolving this injustice and if I was Greek or GC I'd be worried, I'd be very worried.

Of course you would think that, as expected from you.

I dont suppose you see the contradiction in what you have just said though.

Those islands are Greece so the EEZ in the med between Greece and Turkey runs equal distance, between those Greek islands and Turkey. But the problem is not limited to this though is it. Turkey is talking like she is wanting to invade and steal Greek islands.........

I suppose you dont see a problem with the "TRNC'" claiming an EEZ that wraps around the eastern side and down to the south of Cyprus as well. While Turkey claims an EEZ that pushes right up to Cyprus's western coastline too.

Yeah, RTE is hell bent on resolving this injustice. My left foot. Hell bent on exploring for natural gas with military escorts in Greece and Cyprus's EEZ and destabilizing the wider region and occupying parts of neighbouring countries more like.

I suppose Greece has a legitimate reason to claim Constantinople and some of western Turkey too, because it is close to those Greek islands. Turkey is a part of Greece and in actual fact, Turkey is occupied Greece..

What an Ottoman brained plonker you are.