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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:33 am

All kidding aside, if this maniac decides he wants to take Greece and Turkey into a war, then the consequences will be enormous for turkey. The loss of life from both will be a true tragedy. World opinion is on the side of Greece, this time. The Turks will not be able to live this down for another 50 years, at least. The Turks have to learn to compromise, ive said it before they will not be able to be part of the civilized world unless they come to terms with their past.. ie Armenian genocide, Greek and Assyrian genocides the Kurds and the Cyprus problem.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Paphitis » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:22 am

Oceanside50 wrote:All kidding aside, if this maniac decides he wants to take Greece and Turkey into a war, then the consequences will be enormous for turkey. The loss of life from both will be a true tragedy. World opinion is on the side of Greece, this time. The Turks will not be able to live this down for another 50 years, at least. The Turks have to learn to compromise, ive said it before they will not be able to be part of the civilized world unless they come to terms with their past.. ie Armenian genocide, Greek and Assyrian genocides the Kurds and the Cyprus problem.


Compromise what though? Turkey is behaving like a common thief?

Question the validity of international law such as UNCLOS, then invite Greece to the negotiations table to grab what it can as a “compromise”.

There is no motive at all for Greece to even consider this as Greece can only lose from what its legal rights are under international law.

The only way forward is to leave war as the only option. Talk in a manner that leaves Turkey in no doubt that it’s recalcitrance will be met with armed action. If they don’t believe it, then perhaps leave Turkey a small taste of what awaits her. It’s tough, very polemic, but it’s the only way.

Should it all escalate into fully blown out war, the world will be called into action. The US will get involved. France too. The EU and NATO would be livid. There would be emergency meetings in the UN GA and Security Council.

Greece will be in the headlines. The world will not be able to hide or ignore the fact that an EU and NATO member is now at war. Turkey will not have it all it’s own way militarily. Global opinion will be with Greece.

The war would be short lived. It will last as long as the US Fleet takes to get to the Aegean and then it’s game over for both Greece and Turkey. In the end, only Turkey can lose diplomatically. Erdogan would be a laughing stock. Mitsotakis would be the global poster boy.

This is the only way to handle Turkey.

It will give greater focus and impetus on Cyprus as the world could be looking to punish Turkey in some way.

The Turks fear Greece militarily. They don’t fear Greek politicians or Greece’s politics who are the weak link and always the first to favour diplomacy in the name of peace and stability. It’s a good thing if it bears fruit but it only serves to embolden Turkey more. That’s because Turkey knows it can only win something. And Greece will lose.

But let’s see if they have the stomach for war. 2 things can happen here. Either Turkey back peddles or they go for it. Greece shouldn’t be afraid if it’s the latter. Back the Greek Armed Forces. They are strong enough to haunt Erdogan and give Turkey something to think about. If you ask me, they are strong enough to really beat Turkey in the Aegean Sea, Med and in the air.

Cyprus is the one that needs to be careful. Because Greece probably hasn’t the capacity to help Cyprus in a meaningful manner with manpower so maybe Cyprus should think about mobilising every man under the age of 55, just in case.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Kikapu » Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:53 pm

Turkey and Greece cannot solve their EEZ problems since the two countries will come from a different starting point. Greece claims the law is on their side and Turkey does not want to go by the law, but only in what they think it belongs to them. It would basically comes down to for Turkey, that what is theirs is theirs and what it is Greece's, it is ours. ICJ would be one way to solve this problem, but Turkey will never go to the ICJ since the law is not on their side in this matter.

Turkey's starting point EEZ map.

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Greece's starting point EEZ map.

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Looking at these two starting points, ONLY Greece would end up giving and Turkey taking if there were to be a settlement between the two nations.

The question then begs to be asked that, if the shoe was on the other foot, do you think Turkey would give a lot of her EEZ to Greece just to be neighbourly , which may contain $ Billions of dollars worth of Oil and Gas?

I know, that was a rhetorical question. :D
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:21 pm

You also forgot the EEZ of the "TRNC"

Which the TC's claim wraps around the eastern side of Cyprus and extends in to the south of the island.

This is Turkeys as well by extension, because it is her puppet regime.

I mean, what kind of meaningful dialogue and resolution can you have trying to reason with people with such an absurd mentality as a starting point?

Sorry but Turkey and the TC's are intent on being rogues and criminals. If they weren't, then their wouldn't be any problems to begin with.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Kikapu » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:36 pm

Maximus wrote:You also forgot the EEZ of the "TRNC"

Which the TC's claim wraps around the eastern side of Cyprus and extends in to the south of the island.

This is Turkeys as well, because it is her puppet regime.

I mean, what kind of meaningful dialogue and resolution can you have trying to reason with people with such an absurd mentality as a starting point?


No, I did not forget, because it does not exist.

As far as the EU and the UN is concerned, the whole island of Cyprus is the RoC, and when Greece and the RoC draw up their own EEZ lines, Turkey will go ape. The RoC has drawn their EEZ lines with Israel, Eygpt and even with Lebanon if I'm not mistaken.

Until Oil and Gas is found in the areas "trnc" makes claims to, nothing will be done by the RoC or the EU, which is why the EU is not coming down too hard on Turkey at the moment, because all the Turks have been doing the last 2 years is burn money everyday searching for Oil & Gas with nothing to show for, so what is the point for the EU to get excited about. Should Turkey find Oil & Gas in the EU's EEZ , then we are talking a different EU approach to Turkey.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:33 pm

That is a very valid point,

At this stage, Turkey is just posturing and burning money. By buying ships to go up and down the med trying to find something.

But, this is accumulating even more problems further down the road.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Londonrake » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:07 pm

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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby MR-from-NG » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:38 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjxrmIH1cKY
Apparently he has very important news for the nation tomorrow. He claims this is the stuff of dreams and these dreams will become reality and Turkey will begin a new era. Some say it could be oil. According to reports All eyes will be on Turkey tomorrow and they expect it will be after Friday prayers outside AyaSofya.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Get Real! » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:52 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjxrmIH1cKY
Apparently he has very important news for the nation tomorrow. He claims this is the stuff of dreams and these dreams will become reality and Turkey will begin a new era. Some say it could be oil. According to reports All eyes will be on Turkey tomorrow and they expect it will be after Friday prayers outside AyaSofya.

:roll: Who doesn’t know by now that he supposedly struck gas in the black sea… which I hope he does so he can fuck off from ours.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)

Postby Maximus » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:44 am

Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjxrmIH1cKY
Apparently he has very important news for the nation tomorrow. He claims this is the stuff of dreams and these dreams will become reality and Turkey will begin a new era. Some say it could be oil. According to reports All eyes will be on Turkey tomorrow and they expect it will be after Friday prayers outside AyaSofya.

:roll: Who doesn’t know by now that he supposedly struck gas in the black sea… which I hope he does so he can fuck off from ours.


Yeah but he has to share it with Greece and Cyprus no?

These Turks are in a daze, mesmerized and hanging on the edge of their seats like they are watching some Turkish soap opera.

With Gollumdogan running rampant in middle earth after some ring. but he keeps stealing power and degrading citizens rights and blames it on a mystic called Gullen.

Waiting for this plonker to announce that he is going to become the grand mullah, sultinate of the universe. A new era has begun where turkey is now officially a caliphate. with him as supreme ruler deluxe until the end of his time.

This is the kind of stuff that Turkish dreams are made out of.

Fckn plonkers, nothing this guy says or does turns out to be good.
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