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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:55 pm

Lordo wrote:You are full of shit boy.

How many posts do you need to see Trump say Global Warming is fake or cretaed by China to harm US econmy.

Just bugger off.


That's what you want to believe. By putting these words in his mouth.

There is a general belief that the Paris Agreement DOES in fact favour China and other developing countries by allowing them the liberty to polute more, whilst punishing America, the EU, and others. In other words, YES, it will have a detrimental effect on the economies of the OECD Nations whilst China has free licence or is at liberty to pollute a lot more.

That is a FACT!

It is the exact same thing Australia is saying as well. I think a few other countries as well.
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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:10 pm

The Romans apparently grew vines in Britain and made wine. Now I don't know this for a fact because I never seen them do it, but historians seem to think this was the case.

IF, the Romans were able to grow vines in Britain, and make wine, could it be that in 100 AD, the average temperatures in the UK, were higher than today? Yes that would seem logical right?

Britain could have been warmer 1900 years ago, than it is today.

All we have is a 170 year snapshot since we started recording temperatures. And in that 170 year snapshot, we can see that temperatures are on the increase on average by about 0.5 degrees. We can see this because we have the data that supports it. probably, this 0.5 degree increase is because of our carbon emmissions in the last 50 years.

But even still, the temperatures 1900 years ago could be warmer than they are today.

This only means there is a lot more to this global warming stuff. the earth does have its cycle.
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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby Lordo » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:32 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:You are full of shit boy.

How many posts do you need to see Trump say Global Warming is fake or cretaed by China to harm US econmy.

Just bugger off.


That's what you want to believe. By putting these words in his mouth.

There is a general belief that the Paris Agreement DOES in fact favour China and other developing countries by allowing them the liberty to polute more, whilst punishing America, the EU, and others. In other words, YES, it will have a detrimental effect on the economies of the OECD Nations whilst China has free licence or is at liberty to pollute a lot more.

That is a FACT!

It is the exact same thing Australia is saying as well. I think a few other countries as well.

WTF
Was it not you asshole who calimed you never heard trump say global warming was fake.
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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:44 pm

What is the tipping point for the earth is the great numbers of humans which has already reached its tipping point long ago and getting worse. Industrial Revolution is adding to global warming which creates climate changes around the globe to satisfy the needs of the rising population. Whether global warming and climate changes are happening naturally or not is no longer relevant because the fact remains that the overpopulated earth can only mean that it makes matters worse by emitting more carbon into the atmosphere regardless how small they are at a time, but incrementally it will accelerate to a point of no return. What we can do now is to try and slow down the damage already being done. Success is not guaranteed, but doing nothing only exasperates the problem.

Planet Venus was much like the earth one time, but now is like hell. The Southwestern USA is now facing major water shortage problems as less and less water is coming down the Colorado River over the last 20 years, the mighty Colorado River which has carved the Grand Canyon about a mile deep over time. The water levels at Lake Powell at Glenn Canyon Dam and Lake Mead at Hoover Dam are at record low levels as there is less snow melt at the Colorado mountains. Other lakes, natural or man made are all losing a lot of precious water for farming and drinking. Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas, Phoenix and other major cities and towns in this region will continue losing water which will change the life as they know it. This is the reality of Climate Change due to Global Warming.
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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:50 pm





(At one point Hoover Dam is displayed at Lake Powell by mistake instead of the Glen Canyon Dam)

Lake Powell is a very special place. The “forbidden area” in the original movie “Planet of the Apes”.
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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:11 pm

Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:You are full of shit boy.

How many posts do you need to see Trump say Global Warming is fake or cretaed by China to harm US econmy.

Just bugger off.


That's what you want to believe. By putting these words in his mouth.

There is a general belief that the Paris Agreement DOES in fact favour China and other developing countries by allowing them the liberty to polute more, whilst punishing America, the EU, and others. In other words, YES, it will have a detrimental effect on the economies of the OECD Nations whilst China has free licence or is at liberty to pollute a lot more.

That is a FACT!

It is the exact same thing Australia is saying as well. I think a few other countries as well.

WTF
Was it not you asshole who calimed you never heard trump say global warming was fake.


Well obviously dingbat!

If you actually do believe that the world has natural warming and cooling cycles, and that in the past, the earth was both much cooler and even much earmer than it is today, and have an agenda to rubbish Paris which countries like Australia, US, Japan and others definately do, then you will call it a hoax.

And they have as mucgh science to back it up with.

But when you call it a hoax, it's not the same as saying global warming doesn't exist. They know it exists, and that it has always existed.

What they are saying is Climate Change alarmism is a hoax, and that coukld very well be very true.
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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:21 pm

Kikapu wrote:What is the tipping point for the earth is the great numbers of humans which has already reached its tipping point long ago and getting worse. Industrial Revolution is adding to global warming which creates climate changes around the globe to satisfy the needs of the rising population. Whether global warming and climate changes are happening naturally or not is no longer relevant because the fact remains that the overpopulated earth can only mean that it makes matters worse by emitting more carbon into the atmosphere regardless how small they are at a time, but incrementally it will accelerate to a point of no return. What we can do now is to try and slow down the damage already being done. Success is not guaranteed, but doing nothing only exasperates the problem.

Planet Venus was much like the earth one time, but now is like hell. The Southwestern USA is now facing major water shortage problems as less and less water is coming down the Colorado River over the last 20 years, the mighty Colorado River which has carved the Grand Canyon about a mile deep over time. The water levels at Lake Powell at Glenn Canyon Dam and Lake Mead at Hoover Dam are at record low levels as there is less snow melt at the Colorado mountains. Other lakes, natural or man made are all losing a lot of precious water for farming and drinking. Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas, Phoenix and other major cities and towns in this region will continue losing water which will change the life as they know it. This is the reality of Climate Change due to Global Warming.


Let's talk about rising carbon and CO2 levels.

Right now, we have 408 ppm (parts per million) of CO2. This equates to 0.0408% of Oxygen is CO2.

In 1800, we had 300 ppm. Industrialization occured in 1750.

This is all that is proven as fact.

That's because there are many things that emit CO2 and Carbon into the atmosphere. Volcanic Eruptions and big bushfires for a start can emit far more carbon and CO2 than humans are ever able to do. And it happens naturally.

What does however hinder the earth's ability to recover, is the destruction of old growth forests/rain forests. But it still isn't too late. If we protect all our forrests all over the world like some countries have already started to do, then we will be fine.

What is even better is if all countries start massive tree planting programs. Cyprus for instance. Cypriot cities look like cement jungles. Not many trees. If the Government there and every other Government around the planet plant billions and billions and billions of trees, the CO2 and Carbon will be removed from the atmosphere.

I always said, every human should plant 10 trees. That's 65 billion trees. I bet that removes a lot of carbon.
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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:53 pm

..."the hope of Justice is still alive."

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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:30 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:What is the tipping point for the earth is the great numbers of humans which has already reached its tipping point long ago and getting worse. Industrial Revolution is adding to global warming which creates climate changes around the globe to satisfy the needs of the rising population. Whether global warming and climate changes are happening naturally or not is no longer relevant because the fact remains that the overpopulated earth can only mean that it makes matters worse by emitting more carbon into the atmosphere regardless how small they are at a time, but incrementally it will accelerate to a point of no return. What we can do now is to try and slow down the damage already being done. Success is not guaranteed, but doing nothing only exasperates the problem.

Planet Venus was much like the earth one time, but now is like hell. The Southwestern USA is now facing major water shortage problems as less and less water is coming down the Colorado River over the last 20 years, the mighty Colorado River which has carved the Grand Canyon about a mile deep over time. The water levels at Lake Powell at Glenn Canyon Dam and Lake Mead at Hoover Dam are at record low levels as there is less snow melt at the Colorado mountains. Other lakes, natural or man made are all losing a lot of precious water for farming and drinking. Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas, Phoenix and other major cities and towns in this region will continue losing water which will change the life as they know it. This is the reality of Climate Change due to Global Warming.


Let's talk about rising carbon and CO2 levels.

Right now, we have 408 ppm (parts per million) of CO2. This equates to 0.0408% of Oxygen is CO2.

In 1800, we had 300 ppm. Industrialization occured in 1750.
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This is all that is proven as fact.

That's because there are many things that emit CO2 and Carbon into the atmosphere. Volcanic Eruptions and big bushfires for a start can emit far more carbon and CO2 than humans are ever able to do. And it happens naturally.

What does however hinder the earth's ability to recover, is the destruction of old growth forests/rain forests. But it still isn't too late. If we protect all our forrests all over the world like some countries have already started to do, then we will be fine.

What is even better is if all countries start massive tree planting programs. Cyprus for instance. Cypriot cities look like cement jungles. Not many trees. If the Government there and every other Government around the planet plant billions and billions and billions of trees, the CO2 and Carbon will be removed from the atmosphere.

I always said, every human should plant 10 trees. That's 65 billion trees. I bet that removes a lot of carbon.


Yes we need to plant trees billions, but I have to take issue with your comments about where the CO2 is coming from.
It is human activity.
Volcanoes and bush fires do emit Co2 and they are natural phenomena which failed to add to CO2. The Human emissions of CO2 are measurable from known fuel use, etc, and in fact are about 100 times greater than volcanic emissions.
Until the mid 19th C the earth had been in a natural 6500 year long continuous gentle cooling trend but as the industrial revolution kicked off and we began to put out more and more CO2, than the natural carbon cycle could absorb, that trend reversed. There are no known natural factors to account for that, such as solar activity, Makenkovich Cycles, etc.

Indeed anthropogenic generated warming was first postulated by Arrhenius in 1897 when he made the first crude calculations of the link between co2 levels and average global temperature. He revised his estimate of the rate of warming up about ten years later to take into account the then rapid industrialisation.
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Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:40 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:What is the tipping point for the earth is the great numbers of humans which has already reached its tipping point long ago and getting worse. Industrial Revolution is adding to global warming which creates climate changes around the globe to satisfy the needs of the rising population. Whether global warming and climate changes are happening naturally or not is no longer relevant because the fact remains that the overpopulated earth can only mean that it makes matters worse by emitting more carbon into the atmosphere regardless how small they are at a time, but incrementally it will accelerate to a point of no return. What we can do now is to try and slow down the damage already being done. Success is not guaranteed, but doing nothing only exasperates the problem.

Planet Venus was much like the earth one time, but now is like hell. The Southwestern USA is now facing major water shortage problems as less and less water is coming down the Colorado River over the last 20 years, the mighty Colorado River which has carved the Grand Canyon about a mile deep over time. The water levels at Lake Powell at Glenn Canyon Dam and Lake Mead at Hoover Dam are at record low levels as there is less snow melt at the Colorado mountains. Other lakes, natural or man made are all losing a lot of precious water for farming and drinking. Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas, Phoenix and other major cities and towns in this region will continue losing water which will change the life as they know it. This is the reality of Climate Change due to Global Warming.


Let's talk about rising carbon and CO2 levels.

Right now, we have 408 ppm (parts per million) of CO2. This equates to 0.0408% of Oxygen is CO2.

In 1800, we had 300 ppm. Industrialization occured in 1750.
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This is all that is proven as fact.

That's because there are many things that emit CO2 and Carbon into the atmosphere. Volcanic Eruptions and big bushfires for a start can emit far more carbon and CO2 than humans are ever able to do. And it happens naturally.

What does however hinder the earth's ability to recover, is the destruction of old growth forests/rain forests. But it still isn't too late. If we protect all our forrests all over the world like some countries have already started to do, then we will be fine.

What is even better is if all countries start massive tree planting programs. Cyprus for instance. Cypriot cities look like cement jungles. Not many trees. If the Government there and every other Government around the planet plant billions and billions and billions of trees, the CO2 and Carbon will be removed from the atmosphere.

I always said, every human should plant 10 trees. That's 65 billion trees. I bet that removes a lot of carbon.


Yes we need to plant trees billions, but I have to take issue with your comments about where the CO2 is coming from.
It is human activity.
Volcanoes and bush fires do emit Co2 and they are natural phenomena which failed to add to CO2. The Human emissions of CO2 are measurable from known fuel use, etc, and in fact are about 100 times greater than volcanic emissions.
Until the mid 19th C the earth had been in a natural 6500 year long continuous gentle cooling trend but as the industrial revolution kicked off and we began to put out more and more CO2, than the natural carbon cycle could absorb, that trend reversed. There are no known natural factors to account for that, such as solar activity, Makenkovich Cycles, etc.

Indeed anthropogenic generated warming was first postulated by Arrhenius in 1897 when he made the first crude calculations of the link between co2 levels and average global temperature. He revised his estimate of the rate of warming up about ten years later to take into account the then rapid industrialisation.


Not all of it is human activity.

Take for instance the Australian and Californian bushfires. They are responsible for adding millions of tonnes of Carbon, which can be seen from space.

Even more Carbon is added from volcanic eruptions, like the one's in Indonesia and Hawaii.

Those are the big elephants in the room.

The historic wildfires in Australia likely unleashed about 900 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, equivalent to nearly double the country's total yearly fossil fuel emissions, according to scientists.


The smoke cloud reached South East Asia, thousands of kms away.

Wildfires emitted 111.7 million metric tons of carbon dioxide, according to preliminary figures provided by the California Air Resources Board, compared with 169.5 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent for transportation in 2018, the most recent year for which greenhouse gas figures are available by sector.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/california- ... 775044.php

Volcanoes and volcanic regions alone outgas an estimated 280-360 million tonnes (0.28 to 0.36 Gt) of CO2 per year.
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