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[Kikapu]

So much for the man who claims he can make a deal. And deal he negotiated will take your breath away.

He has asked Zalizmenos to cede land for peace and not joining Nato. Now a deal in Minsk was offered to Zalizmenos where he can keep all his territory but not join Nato and the Americans with the Europeans convinced him to refuse it. You would think he would learn who his friends are. There he is talking to the Europeans about getting his territory back. Russia will not stop until they take the rest of the Dombas region. But he does not need to worry because a knight in white shining armour who understand deals better than T-Rump will be joining him in the talks namely ChristoBaby. Now Christo knows how to conclude a deal just like he did in 2017 at Crans-Montana. In the meantime Ukraine is beginning to recruit pensioners as soldier.
Perhaps he can dig up the dead too, that may help.

Well, there are major differences in negotiations between the Ukraine/Russia war and the “war” between the north/south in Cyprus!

In many ways, the negotiations in Cyprus are much more difficult and complicated.

[Lordo]

So much for the man who claims he can make a deal. And deal he negotiated will take your breath away.

He has asked Zalizmenos to cede land for peace and not joining Nato. Now a deal in Minsk was offered to Zalizmenos where he can keep all his territory but not join Nato and the Americans with the Europeans convinced him to refuse it. You would think he would learn who his friends are. There he is talking to the Europeans about getting his territory back. Russia will not stop until they take the rest of the Dombas region. But he does not need to worry because a knight in white shining armour who understand deals better than T-Rump will be joining him in the talks namely ChristoBaby. Now Christo knows how to conclude a deal just like he did in 2017 at Crans-Montana. In the meantime Ukraine is beginning to recruit pensioners as soldier.
Perhaps he can dig up the dead too, that may help.

Well, there are major differences in negotiations between the Ukraine/Russia war and the “war” between the north/south in Cyprus!

In many ways, the negotiations in Cyprus are much more difficult and complicated.

Really, in what way?
Both instances
1. One side wants guarantee from another power. (TCs)
2. One side tried to erase the other side (Ukranians)
3. One side does not recognise the the claim of the other (Ukraninas)
4. Objective was to join Nato
5. There was a coup where an elected President is removed by the CIA(Both Ukranians and GCs)
6. America wanted bases established.


One difference is GCs are being offered land back for peace where as Russia is demanding land for peace.
A second difference is Ukraine is demanding guarantee against Russia where as GCs are demanding the TCs should not have Turkey as a Guarantor.

If anything this is simpler as land is being given back. There is a bonus point as well though, if Israel attacks Cyprus at some point in the future Turkey will have to defend GCs against an Israeli attack. Fancy that?

[Kikapu]

So much for the man who claims he can make a deal. And deal he negotiated will take your breath away.

He has asked Zalizmenos to cede land for peace and not joining Nato. Now a deal in Minsk was offered to Zalizmenos where he can keep all his territory but not join Nato and the Americans with the Europeans convinced him to refuse it. You would think he would learn who his friends are. There he is talking to the Europeans about getting his territory back. Russia will not stop until they take the rest of the Dombas region. But he does not need to worry because a knight in white shining armour who understand deals better than T-Rump will be joining him in the talks namely ChristoBaby. Now Christo knows how to conclude a deal just like he did in 2017 at Crans-Montana. In the meantime Ukraine is beginning to recruit pensioners as soldier.
Perhaps he can dig up the dead too, that may help.

Well, there are major differences in negotiations between the Ukraine/Russia war and the “war” between the north/south in Cyprus!

In many ways, the negotiations in Cyprus are much more difficult and complicated.

Really, in what way?
Both instances
1. One side wants guarantee from another power. (TCs)
2. One side tried to erase the other side (Ukranians)
3. One side does not recognise the the claim of the other (Ukraninas)
4. Objective was to join Nato
5. There was a coup where an elected President is removed by the CIA(Both Ukranians and GCs)
6. America wanted bases established.


One difference is GCs are being offered land back for peace where as Russia is demanding land for peace.
A second difference is Ukraine is demanding guarantee against Russia where as GCs are demanding the TCs should not have Turkey as a Guarantor.

If anything this is simpler as land is being given back. There is a bonus point as well though, if Israel attacks Cyprus at some point in the future Turkey will have to defend GCs against an Israeli attack. Fancy that?

In a nutshell, the Ukraine/Russia war is between TWO Sovereign States and ALL the Political Rights given to them under International Law.

In Cyprus there is ONLY one Sovereign State with ALL the Political Rights given to it under International Law, where the two main ethnic communities are unable to reach a consensus on how to apply the States’ Political Rights under International Law for the benefit of ALL it’s citizens and the country. The last 50+ years is “the proof in the budding”, no?

[Londonrake]

Zelensky’s White House suit.

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[Lordo]

So much for the man who claims he can make a deal. And deal he negotiated will take your breath away.

He has asked Zalizmenos to cede land for peace and not joining Nato. Now a deal in Minsk was offered to Zalizmenos where he can keep all his territory but not join Nato and the Americans with the Europeans convinced him to refuse it. You would think he would learn who his friends are. There he is talking to the Europeans about getting his territory back. Russia will not stop until they take the rest of the Dombas region. But he does not need to worry because a knight in white shining armour who understand deals better than T-Rump will be joining him in the talks namely ChristoBaby. Now Christo knows how to conclude a deal just like he did in 2017 at Crans-Montana. In the meantime Ukraine is beginning to recruit pensioners as soldier.
Perhaps he can dig up the dead too, that may help.

Well, there are major differences in negotiations between the Ukraine/Russia war and the “war” between the north/south in Cyprus!

In many ways, the negotiations in Cyprus are much more difficult and complicated.

Really, in what way?
Both instances
1. One side wants guarantee from another power. (TCs)
2. One side tried to erase the other side (Ukranians)
3. One side does not recognise the the claim of the other (Ukraninas)
4. Objective was to join Nato
5. There was a coup where an elected President is removed by the CIA(Both Ukranians and GCs)
6. America wanted bases established.


One difference is GCs are being offered land back for peace where as Russia is demanding land for peace.
A second difference is Ukraine is demanding guarantee against Russia where as GCs are demanding the TCs should not have Turkey as a Guarantor.

If anything this is simpler as land is being given back. There is a bonus point as well though, if Israel attacks Cyprus at some point in the future Turkey will have to defend GCs against an Israeli attack. Fancy that?

In a nutshell, the Ukraine/Russia war is between TWO Sovereign States and ALL the Political Rights given to them under International Law.

In Cyprus there is ONLY one Sovereign State with ALL the Political Rights given to it under International Law, where the two main ethnic communities are unable to reach a consensus on how to apply the States’ Political Rights under International Law for the benefit of ALL it’s citizens and the country. The last 50+ years is “the proof in the budding”, no?

No question about it. The war in 74 was between two sovereign nations too. And here the similarities are incredible. Makarios was offered before 74 all the 13 amendments plus everybody return to their homes. The only thing he was not allowed was Enosis wirh Greece and he refused believing Enosis was possible in the long run as he intended to drive the TCs out economically. Similarity between this and what Ukraine was offered in 2014 under the Minsk agreement is incredible. Ukraine was offered all her territory but she could not Enosis with Nato. They also refused. Here it deviates a bit. Makarios lost 37% of the territory and so far Ukraine only lost 20% although admittedlythey lost the most valuable Ukrainian territory. He is now being asked to hand over approx. 25% with no Nato membership.

You would think the Ukrainian establishment knew what happened in Cyprus and would not have walked into the same situation.

[Lordo]

Interesting argument between Tramp and Newsom the Californian governor when he claimed he would cut the federal funding to California if he does not approve what the governor is doing.

Tramp was reminded that California is a net contributor to the fund and could just as easily cut their contributions which would more than cover the losses.

This Trump is not only a moron but he has surrounded himself with moronic advisors too assuming that he actually listens to the advise given and more so whether he can remember what is said for more than 3 seconds.

[Kikapu]

So much for the man who claims he can make a deal. And deal he negotiated will take your breath away.

He has asked Zalizmenos to cede land for peace and not joining Nato. Now a deal in Minsk was offered to Zalizmenos where he can keep all his territory but not join Nato and the Americans with the Europeans convinced him to refuse it. You would think he would learn who his friends are. There he is talking to the Europeans about getting his territory back. Russia will not stop until they take the rest of the Dombas region. But he does not need to worry because a knight in white shining armour who understand deals better than T-Rump will be joining him in the talks namely ChristoBaby. Now Christo knows how to conclude a deal just like he did in 2017 at Crans-Montana. In the meantime Ukraine is beginning to recruit pensioners as soldier.
Perhaps he can dig up the dead too, that may help.

Well, there are major differences in negotiations between the Ukraine/Russia war and the “war” between the north/south in Cyprus!

In many ways, the negotiations in Cyprus are much more difficult and complicated.

Really, in what way?
Both instances
1. One side wants guarantee from another power. (TCs)
2. One side tried to erase the other side (Ukranians)
3. One side does not recognise the the claim of the other (Ukraninas)
4. Objective was to join Nato
5. There was a coup where an elected President is removed by the CIA(Both Ukranians and GCs)
6. America wanted bases established.


One difference is GCs are being offered land back for peace where as Russia is demanding land for peace.
A second difference is Ukraine is demanding guarantee against Russia where as GCs are demanding the TCs should not have Turkey as a Guarantor.

If anything this is simpler as land is being given back. There is a bonus point as well though, if Israel attacks Cyprus at some point in the future Turkey will have to defend GCs against an Israeli attack. Fancy that?

In a nutshell, the Ukraine/Russia war is between TWO Sovereign States and ALL the Political Rights given to them under International Law.

In Cyprus there is ONLY one Sovereign State with ALL the Political Rights given to it under International Law, where the two main ethnic communities are unable to reach a consensus on how to apply the States’ Political Rights under International Law for the benefit of ALL it’s citizens and the country. The last 50+ years is “the proof in the budding”, no?

No question about it. The war in 74 was between two sovereign nations too. And here the similarities are incredible. Makarios was offered before 74 all the 13 amendments plus everybody return to their homes. The only thing he was not allowed was Enosis wirh Greece and he refused believing Enosis was possible in the long run as he intended to drive the TCs out economically. Similarity between this and what Ukraine was offered in 2014 under the Minsk agreement is incredible. Ukraine was offered all her territory but she could not Enosis with Nato. They also refused. Here it deviates a bit. Makarios lost 37% of the territory and so far Ukraine only lost 20% although admittedlythey lost the most valuable Ukrainian territory. He is now being asked to hand over approx. 25% with no Nato membership.

You would think the Ukrainian establishment knew what happened in Cyprus and would not have walked into the same situation.

I didn’t want to interject Turkey into the conversation to make any comparison to the Ukraine/Russia war and the Cyprus situation, despite there being some parallels in actions as you have stated, but the reasons for those actions between to two situations diverge quite a lot, which will make Ukraine/Russia war outcome become quicker, permanent and legal than the Cyprus situation, hence the 50+ years of no permanent and legal outcome for a solution.

[Lordo]

Surely the situation is exactly the same. In Cyprus, GCs wanted to join Greece and started a civil war to remove the rights of the TCs so they can achieve that. Ukrainians attacked the Russian Ukrainians, economically, politically and Militarily as well as wanting to Join NATO. We had the same in Cyprus. Makarios wanted Enosis with Greece, he put economic, political and military pressure on the TCs and the Turks came in just like the Russians did in Ukraine.
There is also talk that Turkey would have invaded even if every single TC was killed. The same goes with Russia. They would have invaded if every single Russian Ukrainian was killed too.

The outcomes are another matter. In Ukraine we have Trump who wants a piece of the action so he is willing to sell the Ukrainians. Whether it is acceptable to Zelenski it is another matter. He can cut his losses and agree or continue to fight and lose more that what the Russians are asking for, or even perhaps the whole lot.

The same cannot be said of the Cypriots. Americans want Cyprus as part of NATO or even as is, as it suits their narrative. Russia does not want peace as the conflict in Cyprus creates friction between two NATO members. Add to that the fact that both sides in Cyprus have got a nationalistic narrative which prevents them from compromising for peace and it explains why after 60 years we still do not have peace.

So in reality, at the root of both problems is NATO expansion.

Of course Turkey has to come into the equation just the same as Russia. They are the same element of the same equation. Pretending to care whilst taking care of their own interests.

Unfortunately the Americans with the help of the Israelis have destroyed the International Law so from now on it will be everyman for himself. Turks can garb the whole of Cyprus, Americans can take the whole Arab Lands and the Chinese can take Taiwan.

[repulsewarrior]

...MAYBE IT IS A GOOD TIME TO REVIEW THIS TOPIC, (IT STARTS SOMETIME IN 2020).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y3y9dLaRfU

...it is more war, a matter of respect. People, as Canadians, because they can be identified as such choose, economically; they are acting Individually, as individuals: this Mr. Trump cannot stop, even as President.

[Lordo]

...MAYBE IT IS A GOOD TIME TO REVIEW THIS TOPIC, (IT STARTS SOMETIME IN 2020).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y3y9dLaRfU

...it is more war, a matter of respect. People, as Canadians, because they can be identified as such choose, economically; they are acting Individually, as individuals: this Mr. Trump cannot stop, even as President.

In reality Trump has implemented Amexit on America with a difference. We Brexited EU, they have Amexited the whole world.

Lets hope it leads to the implosion of the Empire. We will all sleep easier at night.