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Re: 1974

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:37 am

I have written a messae to CTP and TKP who may not attend the speech the Sultan is going to give to parliament to actually attend and prfuse their protestion in a manner which is totally natural. I suggested they should eat a rather large plate of Yahni Fasulya and let the glanyes rip while he is talking. Lets have a mixture of loud and silent ones so they will have to evacuate the building.

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Re: 1974

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:40 am

Can one of you boys lend us one of those lovely lasers you boys have. We promise to return it intact.
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Re: 1974

Postby -mikkie2- » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:44 pm

Protests are useless if the politicians just ignore them.

Cyprus is essentially lost. It doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong, but slowly over time and with no intervention, Cyprus will become a Turkish island. There will be no Greek or Turkish CYPRIOTS - there will be no Cypriots. It will be Turkey.

The fate of Cyprus is not with its people, but with US, EU and UK. They are the ones that can put a stop to what is happening and to what is about to happen. It all depends on the geopolitics of the region. Can they trust Cyprus to be under Turkish control? Would the surrounding countries be happy for Cyprus to be a Turkish island?
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Re: 1974

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:28 pm

Cypriots, the People, have not spoken for themselves yet.

...i do not despair.

And i am hoping that this summer will be particularly hot for the Leadership you speak of, what with "picnics" being a big issue, picnics are something Cypriots can do well if they have a mind to.

...you can "be" a Cypriot, whether Turkish or Greek. What better way to expose "them", those "Greek" and "Turkish", who ignore what is the world with their hateful dogmas, in that regard very much the same.

Indeed, Erdogan may surprise us if we, as Cypriots, took back the word, "enosis"; Turkey's People need this too, and he knows it. Moreso because he has a deadline; let's not forget that Turkey's Centennial is in two short years.

...really, it is up to "us", that is to say the rest of us.
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Re: 1974

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:41 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, then (more than 300 years ago) as now, Cyprus is a crossroad to three continents; Cypriots of all kinds can be found, (even as communities).

What the Ottoman's considered a backwater, a place of barracks with services, its People chattel, is no different today, within the territory they illegally occupy.

Cyprus grows. It grows exponentially since Free. Call it "Greek" and you would be mistaken because "Greekness" is no better than "Turkishness"; Cypriots, Greek and Turkish, know this all too well.

The facts have also shown that what Cypriots do and did as Cypriots for themselves, as facilitators of exchange, proves successful.

...nothing wrong with Enosis: but Cypriots must take back the word, bringing it forward actually from what they've learned from the past; what was torn by these two dogmas in Cyprus must be mended.


...why deny this fact, Lordo, that Cypriots exist? And why not a Cypriot People, having existed millennia, now artificially divided beyond their subjugation, their identity usurped.

I do not deny the blame that Greek Cypriots must shoulder by their own acts, but i find it surprising therefore, that "Turks" do not ask more of themselves, if they are unlike "Greeks", if they are more like "us" as Humans.
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Re: 1974

Postby Lordo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:07 pm

I don't know if you are aware but back in 2004 the TCs voted with 65% to form a BBF government. In the previous election for the Presidency again 60% voted for Akinci. I really do not know what else they cando to convince you that they mean to keep Cyprus Cypriot. They also prevented Makarios implementing Enosis back in the 60s.

In reality they have lost faith in the GCs ever agreeing to share power. So what alternatives are ther. Erdogan is coming to give a speech with a surprise up his sleeve. I suspect it is no more than what Anastasiades hinted he wanted. Two State solution.

What more can they do?
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Re: 1974

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:55 pm

...being clear is a big part of it.

...something like Akinci standing with Anastasiades under the Flag of Cyprus would have been nice. Who would be against that, if, as Cypriots, we had at another level of Government; self-representation as Persons as well.

...as for the Annan Plan, we can disagree, but after Annan III it became obvious that this was no solution, but more of the same, Turkey wanting more and more and more. And by Annan V In any case how could Cypriots honestly vote for something which at the moment of their voting had not been read, never mind reviewed.

There are "Greeks" Lordo, in Cyprus, there are "Turks", too. Among us as Cypriots they are a bane one in the same, to me no different. Cypriots exist, if you are one, you suffered, in '63, and '74, Turkish or Greek, at the hands of "Turks" and "Greeks".

I wish you would have the courage, and join me, to "be" one, Lordo: a Cypriot.

..."picnics" as i have said before, would be nice this summer.
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Re: 1974

Postby Lordo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:06 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...being clear is a big part of it.

...something like Akinci standing with Anastasiades under the Flag of Cyprus would have been nice. Who would be against that, if, as Cypriots, we had at another level of Government; self-representation as Persons as well.

...as for the Annan Plan, we can disagree, but after Annan III it became obvious that this was no solution, but more of the same, Turkey wanting more and more and more. And by Annan V In any case how could Cypriots honestly vote for something which at the moment of their voting had not been read, never mind reviewed.

There are "Greeks" Lordo, in Cyprus, there are "Turks", too. Among us as Cypriots they are a bane one in the same, to me no different. Cypriots exist, if you are one, you suffered, in '63, and '74, Turkish or Greek, at the hands of "Turks" and "Greeks".

I wish you would have the courage, and join me, to "be" one, Lordo: a Cypriot.

..."picnics" as i have said before, would be nice this summer.

Don't be silly RW. It was agreed that anything the two leaders left a gap on it would be filled by the UN. Papadopoulls was offered Karpaz intothe bargain and he refused it.
The will of the GC establishment was never there from the begining and Dengtash and Eroglu was too stupid to bluff them. Ajnci and Talat were not bluffing and the GC establisment has been wanting.

I am srtill waiting for a single item which as changed priot to the vote to appease Turkey. GC blame Turkey. Akinci and before him Talat moved Erdogan to accept BBF. Now having spoken to Anastasiades via Chavusoglu everyvody seems to know Anastasiades prefers two state solution Even Archbishop said Anastasiades told him that. But GCs seems grasp that idea it cannopt be their leaders in exactly thwe same way they still believe GC establishment was only trying to suppress the rebellion.

It is all bull and you know it. Its over lets face it.
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Re: 1974

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:48 pm

...you have a dim view of the People, i do not.
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Re: 1974

Postby Lordo » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:13 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...you have a dim view of the People, i do not.

There is a difference between hopeful and delusional.
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