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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Paphitis » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:02 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed my point, Lordo. Minorities can hold a lot of power, moreso in a country like Afghanistan where the Taliban do not amount to an overwhelming majority, compared to the rest of the population.

The Taliban have power now, but the question is how long can they hold on to that power; a lot depends on what they do.

...let's remember that forty years ago their children were shipped out of the country through no choice of their own; and they returned to be the defenders of Afghanistan against the Russians. Americans in that regard are not that much different to them; invaders. But, in the process, exposed to the world's gaze and concern, they may have learned something that makes it possible for them to see things differently, as things are.


America reacted to the September 11 terrorist attacks on WTC. They had every right to do that.

But then the mission changed to supporting the elected Afghan Government and to build a different type of Afghanistan which was suppose to be a better Afghanistan for the Afghan people. But the coalition pulled the carpet from under them, allowing the Taliban to take back control…

At the time of the Russian invasion, the Americans viewed things very simply. It was a case of Russia going on an expedition, for the first time at the height of the Cold War so the Americans decided to support the opposition and disrupt the Soviet Union’s mission through the Northern Alliance. There was also concern at the time that this Soviet action jeopardised a number of Gulf Stares who at the time were also shit scared.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:46 am

Paphitis wrote:America reacted to the September 11 terrorist attacks on WTC. They had every right to do that.

But then the mission changed to supporting the elected Afghan Government and to build a different type of Afghanistan which was suppose to be a better Afghanistan for the Afghan people. But the coalition pulled the carpet from under them, allowing the Taliban to take back control…

At the time of the Russian invasion, the Americans viewed things very simply. It was a case of Russia going on an expedition, for the first time at the height of the Cold War so the Americans decided to support the opposition and disrupt the Soviet Union’s mission through the Northern Alliance. There was also concern at the time that this Soviet action jeopardised a number of Gulf Stares who at the time were also shit scared.


Yes that and only that.
The theatrical controlled demolition of the twin towers was to fool the American sheep.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:53 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:America reacted to the September 11 terrorist attacks on WTC. They had every right to do that.

But then the mission changed to supporting the elected Afghan Government and to build a different type of Afghanistan which was suppose to be a better Afghanistan for the Afghan people. But the coalition pulled the carpet from under them, allowing the Taliban to take back control…

At the time of the Russian invasion, the Americans viewed things very simply. It was a case of Russia going on an expedition, for the first time at the height of the Cold War so the Americans decided to support the opposition and disrupt the Soviet Union’s mission through the Northern Alliance. There was also concern at the time that this Soviet action jeopardised a number of Gulf Stares who at the time were also shit scared.


Yes that and only that.
The theatrical controlled demolition of the twin towers was to fool the American sheep.


This was way before the September 11 terrorist attack.

America’s involvement in Afghanistan started in 1979 and went through to 1986, albeit covertly through the CIA helping and supplying the Northern Alliance with arms to fight the Soviets. At the time, Osama Bin Laden was also known to the CIA.

There is a great documentary where the station CIA chief at the time, was interviewed and was actually on the ground in Afghanistan and who had actually been with the Northern Alliance commanders as the Americans were supplying them with Stinger Missiles which at the time were state of the art manpads.

The Afghan War then was technically a proxy war for the US against the Soviets.

But after 1986, Al Qaeda fighters split from the Northern Alliance and commenced terrorism against America. First was the attack of the US Embassy in Nairobi and then the bombing of the USS Cole.

Then in 1992, the first bombing of WYC Tower 1.

Then on September 11, Al Qaeda boned the WTC and Pentagon.

It was not a staged event. The US doesn’t need to stage a thing. If they wanted to blow Al Qaeda to smithereens or invade Afghanistan, then there is no one who can stop them.

But as a result of the September 11 terrorist attack, America entered Afghanistan and deposed the Taliban.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Londonrake » Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:27 pm

Then, after 20 years, 4 Presidents and trillions of dollars they gave it back to them - on a plate. :lol:
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:41 pm

Londonrake wrote:Then, after 20 years, 4 Presidents and trillions of dollars they gave it back to them - on a plate. :lol:

and left them with lots of hardware. They think they are unusable but I can think of two countries who would by them and replace them like for like with working hardware.

How can usch a nation with so many stupid leaders got this far?
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:58 pm

...the last soldier that left was the commanding General, after an airlift that involved 125,000 people.

None of the airplanes were shot at, and despite the chaos on the ground outside the Airport's fence he also left, his back turned to Afghanistan with no one shooting at him.

...this is hopeful. And something worth think about.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:54 pm

Londonrake wrote:Then, after 20 years, 4 Presidents and trillions of dollars they gave it back to them - on a plate. :lol:


I’m no fan of what America has done as of late. It was an utter betrayal letting the Taliban take over like that.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:59 pm

Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Then, after 20 years, 4 Presidents and trillions of dollars they gave it back to them - on a plate. :lol:

and left them with lots of hardware. They think they are unusable but I can think of two countries who would by them and replace them like for like with working hardware.

How can usch a nation with so many stupid leaders got this far?


Who would take what?

Hummers and Blackhawks? It’s not a big deal. Those countries would have already seen many hummers and Blackhawks.

The Blackhawks won’t be flying in a few months unless they can get someone to make parts for them. The likelihood that any country can do that, given the complexity of the engines and have a reliable helicopter is very remote. Eventually, they will just rot away. As things start to break it would get harder and harder for them.

The question is, how will they be maintained and serviced as well.

Also, it wouldn’t be that hard for America to destroy them with drones or cruise missiles.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:24 am

...if it is NATO equipment, it can be rendered useless remotely.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:31 pm

...for your consideration,

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