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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:41 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Londonrake wrote:Then, after 20 years, 4 Presidents and trillions of dollars they gave it back to them - on a plate. :lol:

and left them with lots of hardware. They think they are unusable but I can think of two countries who would by them and replace them like for like with working hardware.

How can usch a nation with so many stupid leaders got this far?


Who would take what?

Hummers and Blackhawks? It’s not a big deal. Those countries would have already seen many hummers and Blackhawks.

The Blackhawks won’t be flying in a few months unless they can get someone to make parts for them. The likelihood that any country can do that, given the complexity of the engines and have a reliable helicopter is very remote. Eventually, they will just rot away. As things start to break it would get harder and harder for them.

The question is, how will they be maintained and serviced as well.

Also, it wouldn’t be that hard for America to destroy them with drones or cruise missiles.


The Taliban does not need helicopters and Hummers to maintain control of Afghanistan. They will sell all these very expensive equipment left behind by the Americans, working or not to others for hard cash who knows how to fix them and use them. :wink:
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Lordo » Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:59 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Then, after 20 years, 4 Presidents and trillions of dollars they gave it back to them - on a plate. :lol:

and left them with lots of hardware. They think they are unusable but I can think of two countries who would by them and replace them like for like with working hardware.

How can usch a nation with so many stupid leaders got this far?


Who would take what?

Hummers and Blackhawks? It’s not a big deal. Those countries would have already seen many hummers and Blackhawks.

The Blackhawks won’t be flying in a few months unless they can get someone to make parts for them. The likelihood that any country can do that, given the complexity of the engines and have a reliable helicopter is very remote. Eventually, they will just rot away. As things start to break it would get harder and harder for them.

The question is, how will they be maintained and serviced as well.

Also, it wouldn’t be that hard for America to destroy them with drones or cruise missiles.


The Taliban does not need helicopters and Hummers to maintain control of Afghanistan. They will sell all these very expensive equipment left behind by the Americans, working or not to others for hard cash who knows how to fix them and use them. :wink:

Is there an echo in here. I said they will sell them but not to just any country. I would have thought the Chinese and the Russians would love to get hold of these machines to learn from then especially the codes to destroy them.

The israilis used this idea as a get out of jail card back in 1967. The sunk an American ship and the smothen things out they offered the Yanks a Russian jet they got from the Egyptians.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:06 pm

No, no Echo Lordo. :D
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:11 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Then, after 20 years, 4 Presidents and trillions of dollars they gave it back to them - on a plate. :lol:

and left them with lots of hardware. They think they are unusable but I can think of two countries who would by them and replace them like for like with working hardware.

How can usch a nation with so many stupid leaders got this far?


Who would take what?

Hummers and Blackhawks? It’s not a big deal. Those countries would have already seen many hummers and Blackhawks.

The Blackhawks won’t be flying in a few months unless they can get someone to make parts for them. The likelihood that any country can do that, given the complexity of the engines and have a reliable helicopter is very remote. Eventually, they will just rot away. As things start to break it would get harder and harder for them.

The question is, how will they be maintained and serviced as well.

Also, it wouldn’t be that hard for America to destroy them with drones or cruise missiles.


The Taliban does not need helicopters and Hummers to maintain control of Afghanistan. They will sell all these very expensive equipment left behind by the Americans, working or not to others for hard cash who knows how to fix them and use them. :wink:


But who will buy them?

They would be rendered worthless if there is no US support in terms of parts and servicing. Even worse than that are all the electronic avionics onboard, supported by big US firms like Honeywell, Lockheed, Grumman and Boeing. They wouldn’t even be able to update them and eventually the helicopters will be downgraded to VFR platforms, not capable of IFR or an instrument let down. If they tried, they will fly into mountains.

The only way around it is to remove the American equipment and try to install let’s say Chinese equivalents. But integration would be a massive problem.

Those countries like Greece and Turkey who operate Blackhawks, but from the Americans because part of the package is American support from all these defence companies that offer support to keep those machines operating. It isn’t as simple as just buying helicopters and fighter jets. There is an entire civil industry behind which are critical to keeping these machines flying.

This is an industry where every part and every machine is recorded with part numbers and serials. The machines will be able to fly for a bit, presuming that the Taliban can fly them. But eventually, their parts will dry up, but worse still, all the update portals from the Americans will be closed off. The databases will be corrupted eventually and probably already are.

Part of a platforms net worth is actually the support in the background. It’s why these machines are expensive. Once they are no longer supported, the value just drops away from them.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:30 pm



...an update.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby Lordo » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:34 pm

As if they include women in the cabinet it wil lmake a difference.

There is one such woman in Erdogsnd cabinet and she was asked about a man who sexually abused a boy and her remarks were just once does not do any damage to the child.

Any woman they put there wil lbe worse than them.

Stop hoping that Taliban will be ok. Only if pigs can fly.
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Re: Turkish Soldiers in Afghanistan

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:05 pm



...clearly an attack on the Taliban.
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