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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:02 am

Paphitis' idol on live interview. :lol: :lol: :lol:




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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:05 am

Paphitis wrote:Haha! The Ministry of Neo Fasciscism (MoNF) of Ruzzia has already claimed to have destroyed 3 Amrams in Ukraine.

And the link of your SOURCE IS ???
In your fantasy, as usual! :lol: :lol: :lol:


They even released 2 photos as evidence.

Problem is, the photos are from Baghdad and Iraq more generally. :lol:

And you can see that the trees are evergreen, and appear to be in a desert environment. Global warming?

Ruzzian Propaganda is just insane.

Your idols, whose nonsense you are propagating like a parrot, are the insane ones, but your so dumb you can't tell the difference

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:21 am

Paphitis wrote:BTW Bitches! Paphitis is in da house.

Any news from the Bakhmut Front Line? Has Bakhmut fallen yet? :lol: :lol: :lol:

How is the war going for you all bitches?


Not only from Bakhmout but also from Soledar, Orikhiv, the whole of Zaporicha front line and more.
Just name me the maps you want to see.
cyprus47975-10030.html#p933275

You could also follow the forum, rather than trying to suffocate us with tens of your essays. DOMINO effect on the way. Watch it as it happens, it's such a lovely moment watching a python strangling it's pray.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:52 am

Truth About Tanks: How NATO Lied Its Way to Disaster in Ukraine
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Tank warfare has evolved. The large force-on-force armored battles that were the hallmark of much of WWII, the Arab-Israeli conflicts, which served as the foundation of operational doctrine for both NATO and the Soviet Union (and which was implemented in full by the United States during Operation Desert Storm in 1991), has run its course.

Like most military technological innovations, the ability to make a modern main battle tank survivable has been outstripped by the fielding of defensive systems designed to overcome such defenses. If a modern military force attempted to launch a large-scale tank-dominated attack against a well-equipped peer-level opponent armed with modern anti-tank missiles, the result would be a decisive defeat for the attacking party marked by the smoking hulks of burned-out tanks.
Don’t get me wrong: tanks still have a vital role to play on the modern battlefield. Their status as a mobile bunker is invaluable in the kind of meat-grinder conflicts of attrition that have come to define the current stage of large-scale ground combat. Speed and armor still contribute to survivability, and the main gun of a tank remains one of the deadliest weapons on the modern battlefield.
But the modern tank performs best as part of a combined arms team, supported by infantry (mounted and unmounted) and copious amounts of supporting arms (artillery and close air support.) As part of such a team, especially one that is well-trained in the art of close combat, the tank remains an essential weapon of war. However, if operated in isolation, a tank is simply an expensive mobile coffin.
Much has been made about the recent decision made by NATO and allied nations to provide Western main battle tanks to Ukraine. The politics of this decision is its own separate topic. This article will address the operational practicalities of this decision, namely has the military capability of Ukraine been enhanced through the provision of these new weapons systems.
To answer this question, one needs to examine three basic issues: training, logistical sustainability, and operational employment.

Training
It takes 22 weeks to train a basic American M1 Abrams crewmember. That training just gives the soldier the very basic skill set to be functional. Actual operational expertise is only achieved through months, if not years, of additional training in not just the system itself, but employing it as part of a similarly trained combine arms team. Simply put, even a Ukrainian tank crew experienced in the operation of Soviet-era T-72 or T-64 tanks will not be able to immediately transition to a Western-style main battle tank.
First and foremost, the crew size of a Soviet-era tank is three, reflecting the reality that the Soviet tanks make use of an automatic loading mechanism. Western tanks have four crew members because the loading of the main tank gun is done manually. Adapting to these dynamics takes time, and requires extensive training.
Training is expensive. NATO is currently providing Ukraine with three types of Western main battle tank: the British Challenger 2, the German Leopard 2, and the American M1A2. There is no unified training course—each tank requires its own unique training prospectus that is not directly transferable to another system.
The decentralized training processes created by such a diverse approach promotes inefficiencies and generates discrepancies in outcome—one crew will not be like another, which in combat, where units are supposed to be interchangeable to promote predictable outcomes if all other circumstances remain the same, is usually fatal.
Moreover, these problems will only be enhanced by the emphasis that will be placed on rapid outcomes. The reality is whatever training programs that are developed and delivered by the nations providing the tanks will be insufficient to the task, resulting in poorly trained crews taking extremely complicated weapons systems into the most dangerous environment in the world for a tank—the teeth of a Russian Army designed and equipped to kill these very same tanks.

Logistical Sustainability
Tanks are among the most technically challenging weapons systems on a modern battlefield. They are constantly breaking down, especially if not properly maintained. For the M1 Abrams, for every hour a tank is in the field, there are three hours of maintenance time required. This problem only becomes magnified in combat.
Normally an armor unit is equipped with highly specialized organic maintenance crews that can repair most of the minor issues that can sideline a tank. Given the training requirements to produce this level of high-quality mechanic, it is unlikely Ukraine will be provided with this kind of maintenance support.
A Ukrainian artilleryman throws an empty 155MM shell tube as Ukrainian soldiers fire a M777 howitzer towards Russian positions on the frontline of eastern Ukraine, on November 23, 2022.
A Ukrainian artilleryman throws an empty 155MM shell tube as Ukrainian soldiers fire a M777 howitzer towards Russian positions on the frontline of eastern Ukraine, on November 23, 2022.

This means that the tanks that are being provided to Ukraine will need to be returned to NATO nations for any significant repairs of equipment that is damaged through simple usage or actual combat. In short, it is highly likely that a Western main battle tank in Ukrainian hands will break down at some point during its operational use by Ukraine, meaning that the total number of tanks available to Ukraine will be far less than the number of tanks provided.

Operational Employment
Ukraine’s commander in chief of the Armed Forces, General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, told The Economist last month that he needed 300 tanks, 500 infantry fighting vehicles, and 500 artillery pieces, if he were going to have any chance of defeating Ukraine.
Following the January 20 meeting of the Ramstein Contact Group, and subsequent follow-on discussions about the provision of tanks, NATO and its allied partners have agreed to provide less than 50% of the number of tanks requested, less than 50% of the number of infantry fighting vehicles requested, and less than 20% of the artillery requested.

Moreover, the timetable for delivery of this equipment is staggered incoherently over a period that stretches out for many months, and in some cases extends into the next year. Not only does this complicate training and logistical sustainability issues that are already unfavorably inclined for Ukraine, but it makes any meaningful effort to integrate this material into a cohesive operational employment plan all but impossible. In short, Ukraine will be compelled to commit the equipment provided—especially the tanks—into combat in piecemeal fashion.
The truth about tanks is that NATO and its allied nations are making Ukraine weaker, not stronger, by providing them with military systems that are overly complicated to operate, extraordinarily difficult to maintain, and impossible to survive unless employed in a cogent manner while supported by extensive combined arms partners.
The decision to provide Ukraine with Western main battle tanks is, literally, a suicide pact, something those who claim they are looking out for the best interests of Ukraine should consider before it is too late.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:12 pm

Bakhmut

Aug 1st to Jan 18th 2023 ....... according the DA MAN in his opinion posts ....... Ukraine is winning! That’s not what this says ...........

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/20/mapping-the-battle-for-bakhmut

and from SKY news..........

“Day 332 of Putins 10 day Special Military operation” he says to start! Same old propaganda ....... @ 2:15 he says Ukrainian forces are ‘fixing the Russians and holding them ([i]the Russians) there [/i]’ having just explained that the Russians have them encircled to the North/South and East ....... and of course he omits to point out that Russian artillery has the West side fully covered and pulverises anything that moves.

This ‘fixing’ is killing the Ukrainian conscripts in their thousands. Poor sods, I feel really sorry for them ..... they have been sooooo misled! They think they are marching to victory ..... whereas they are being minced in a meat grinder! This is a terrible war the US has started and they keep throwing more fuel on the fire every day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfALOqV7TOQ

The Russians will talk ...... the only talk from Ukraine is Zelenskey's endless calls to give him more weapons. It would not surpise me if the US gave him tactical nuclear weapons! :o

Brian Beletic speakin about Russian recruitment ........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT05L091MJs&t=440s
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:42 pm

The days of tank warfare is over. It has been for some time.

Israel went into Lebanon back in 2006 to supposedly rescue 2 captured soldiers and lost over 100 tanks and over 100 soldiers. Hezbollah were able to take them out with such ease that that Israel did not go into Lebanon with tanks again.

Sending tanks to Ukraine will not make any difference what so ever. Tanks have no defense against anti-tank missiles and they can be fired from the shoulder. The Russians learnt this in Afghanistan. Their tanks were sitting ducks against the American armed Taliban.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:49 pm

Paphitis wrote:Ding Dong Bitches!


I have news bitches! Looks like Kremina has been liberated. But the Ukrainians are not updating the maps.



I have news for you too. Not only the Ukrainians never managed to get close to Kreminna, they today lost Dibrova which is 10 Km away. Go Go Mother Russia!! :D

News from this "made in Ukraine" map which calls the liberation of Dibrova " situation clarified" (sic) :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://deepstatemap.live/en#10

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1/29/2023 01:32 AM
Enemy captured Blahodatne, clarified situation in Dibrova.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:20 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
This ‘fixing’ is killing the Ukrainian conscripts in their thousands. Poor sods, I feel really sorry for them ..... they have been sooooo misled! They think they are marching to victory ..... whereas they are being minced in a meat grinder!


However look how effective is the Ukrainian propaganda and lies when boosted and propagated unquestionably by the Western media.
A)Initially they were spreading the lie that Bakhmout is of no strategic importance, therefore the Russians are some kind of lunatics trying to take it.
B) After they suffered huge losses, and after tens of replenishment, they remembered the old trick of reversing the numbers concerning the Ukrainian and the Russian losses.

They do this all the time, targeting the morale of the Russian troops on the ground, the public opinion in Russia, plus shaping perception in the West.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:24 pm

Morning bitches! Paphitis is in da house.

Did you miss me bitches? How is the war going for you bitches? Another 900 Z Nazis sent to Nazi heaven to joing Hitler and his henchmen.

Wow, it's nice to see our Z Forumenrs floundering as they see Ruzzia being totally fucked up.

Any news from the Bakhmut front? Has Bakhmut fallen yet? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:25 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Haha! The Ministry of Neo Fasciscism (MoNF) of Ruzzia has already claimed to have destroyed 3 Amrams in Ukraine.

They even released 2 photos as evidence.

Problem is, the photos are from Baghdad and Iraq more generally. :lol:

And you can see that the trees are evergreen, and appear to be in a desert environment. Global warming?

Ruzzian Propaganda is just insane.


Paphitis, if these destroyed Abrams tanks are from the 90’s war in Iraq caused by Iraqis with their limited military power against the western powers, how the fuck do you expect these tanks to survive against the Russian military power in Ukraine? :shock:

So perhaps Putin is correct when he says that the newly promised tanks by the west to Ukraine will burn just as much as the other tanks they have destroyed in Ukraine. :wink:


2003 actually! Or 2004.

One is defiunately from Iraq, and the other could be Iraq, although someone mentioned it is Afghanistan.
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