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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:16 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Lordo wrote:What I believe has nothing to do with it. What is reported is factual. I do not post the bullshit they put out. If you have an issue with anything I posted for being false say so.

Otherwise say it ain't so, otherwise I would shut my trap if I was you. You are making a fool of yourself.


Who is this comment addressed to? :?

Sorry about that I should have made it clear it is for LR and maxi boy mainly or anybody else that has such thoughts and they know who they are . He will not take long to come back and comment on why I should not post such thoughts.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:10 pm

Robin Hood wrote:I don't see the point in your post! Other than criticism, it conveys nothing of significance. It is not the source that is significant but the news and information they convey and with all the sources you list, most often a lot of 'inconvenient' information is not reported.

Why no critique of the OSCE report I have posted on several occasions on here? It is because it is entirely fact based and from an official source with International accreditation. 'THEY" cannot counter the facts because they know they would lose the discussion ......... so it gets ignored instead. So the masses go on believing the convenient part of the story. :roll:

I am currently watching SKY News with some US Generals plying what can only be described as almost pure propaganda! An example "Russia launched an unprovoked attack, on Ukraine ....... A PEACEFUL NATION" ....... he just forgot they had been at war with their own people, and with help from the US, ...... for over eight years before Russia stepped in and that was after trying to get a negotiated settlement through the MINSK Accords for ALL of thos eight years! That never gets a mention does it?

I recently posted a fully factual explanation of just that ....... based on what the UN Charter and International law says ....... all the things your media does not explain to you ..... I assume it was a case of TLDR as you made no comments on it?


Good evening. Hope you and yours are well.

As far as Mr Lordo is concerned there's a long history. I would ask you indulge and ignore my responses to the man. Trust me - he has it coming.

I have to disagree with your view that it's not the source of news that matters. Moreover, I think somebody that posts scathingly about the Western MSM, particularly the BBC, then uses them as his main source of supporting articles is nothing more than a rank hypocrite.

I've lost count on this thread of people's comments that the western MSM, in its enormous diversity, is.............. fill in the blanks with a huge variety of contempt. Basically, anything they have to say is totally unacceptable. To say this article is OK but that one not is little more than a licence to distort to an agenda and basically a having your cake and eating it situation. Reminiscent of when I asked GR, who was invariably scathing about the BBC, whether he thought an expose they were publishing about alleged SAS atrocities in Syria was not proof of an element of impartiality. His response was of course that it was correct and acceptable but generally the organisation was "criminal" (a favourite word of his).

Some time ago it became apparent to me that the war in Ukraine is likely to be protracted and bloody. I suspect it could go on for years. Not least because Mr Putin is in essence "all in". His personal survival dependent on some sort of redemptive outcome. The West allowing him to overrun Ukraine seems equally unthinkable. I have always thought that Russia would win. Having said that I ask what "Win" means? What would occupying a country of 40 million who've had the sort of pyrrhic devastation of the past year inflicted upon them result in? It would be enormously expensive an occupation and an endless counter-insurgency situation. Surely?

There's also been a tendency to get rid of anybody who disagrees with the pro-Russian agenda. I said some time ago that the objective seemed to be to reduce the thread to a small number of people exchanging supportive views/links. The only real opposition has been Paphitis, with his occasional visits and blitz postings. Even he is a "NATO cheerleader" that some would like to see the back of. Surely from "Russian cheerleaders"? Personally, I find he livens the discussion up quite a bit. RW tends to post Ukraine supportive stuff but he never seems to defend them. His views come across as ambivalent. So, the situation I envisaged seems to be coming about.

Despite all that Blah, Blah and put simply - what would be the point of posting on this thread?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:22 am

...i may be "ambivalent", because i believe most of all that 'we' need facts to make our own judgments; i believe in a better outcome frankly, than one "side" losing/winning, like Ukrainians who are not "Ukrainians", more than that.

...ask the all in "Russians" (here) what they think of me: none consider my views supporting their own; but they can take comfort that "Americans", "Ukrainians", "Greeks", and "Turks", are treated in that regard equally by me.

...i am Cypriot (and Canadian), and, of "Them" i know (read: suffered) quite a lot. Being Greek does not make me "Greek", and being Greek i know i am Turkish and Russian, etc.: a member of one Family called Man.

That's the Problem, in Cyprus, and as it is evolving in the Ukraine: a Person you may be; for the security such a notion offers, as an Individual are you willing to give up your Basic Human Rights?

...i think the reason why i write is pretty clear, i am an activist; most of all to educate, and to keep people up-to-date.

As to my opinions, when i am openly expressing them, they are clear (perhaps not yet understood); does it matter that so few openly support them by their comments (or if i am liked by one "side" against another), i don't think so.

...be helpful: if you are a writer and you want to blahblahblah onward open a topic, and vent.

(Think of all the topics where it is nothing (almost) but my stream, although i certainly do not want you to do to them what you do to Lordo's.), wot?

...be happy: it is your duty as a Brit, or a Cypriot, or devoted to God, as a Human being; Lovingly serving is the way. (You seem so miserable, London.)

Slava Ukraini
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:15 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...i may be "ambivalent", because i believe most of all that 'we' need facts to make our own judgments; i believe in a better outcome frankly, than one "side" losing/winning, like Ukrainians who are not "Ukrainians", more than that.

...ask the all in "Russians" (here) what they think of me: none consider my views supporting their own; but they can take comfort that "Americans", "Ukrainians", "Greeks", and "Turks", are treated in that regard equally by me.

...i am Cypriot (and Canadian), and, of "Them" i know (read: suffered) quite a lot. Being Greek does not make me "Greek", and being Greek i know i am Turkish and Russian, etc.: a member of one Family called Man.

That's the Problem, in Cyprus, and as it is evolving in the Ukraine: a Person you may be; for the security such a notion offers, as an Individual are you willing to give up your Basic Human Rights?

...i think the reason why i write is pretty clear, i am an activist; most of all to educate, and to keep people up-to-date.

As to my opinions, when i am openly expressing them, they are clear (perhaps not yet understood); does it matter that so few openly support them by their comments (or if i am liked by one "side" against another), i don't think so.

...be helpful: if you are a writer and you want to blahblahblah onward open a topic, and vent.

(Think of all the topics where it is nothing (almost) but my stream, although i certainly do not want you to do to them what you do to Lordo's.), wot?

...be happy: it is your duty as a Brit, or a Cypriot, or devoted to God, as a Human being; Lovingly serving is the way. (You seem so miserable, London.)

Slava Ukraini


We all believe that there should be no winners in this RW which is why they need to return to the Minsk agreement which they should have signed.

Zalizmenos and his gang and the idiotic Yanks have only got themselves to blame on this one.

Clearly this war is being kept going despite the casualties to benefit the energy corpotations and the arms industry of the west.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/if-we-can-t-send-f-16s-let-s-send-ukraine-our-old-planes/ar-AA17wsEh?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=571cd524577d4195b34368b86489e75a
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:42 pm

The process of dumping Ukraine has started:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... al-moment/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:57 pm

Londonrake wrote:I've lost count on this thread of people's comments that the western MSM, in its enormous diversity, is..............


MSM means Mainstream Media. What you call enormous diversity is close to ZERO among Western Mainstream Media in almost every issue except internal politics. There is actually more diversity in Russian MSM ranging from hard core radical , to the "soft" ones compared to Western MSM which basically regurgitate each other.
I would only agree there's diversity in Western media outside the MSM, the question is how many people do they affect?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:12 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:The process of dumping Ukraine has started:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... al-moment/

The Ukrainians are using 5000 shells a day. Nato cannot keep up with the demand.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:39 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:The process of dumping Ukraine has started:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... al-moment/

“'As long as it takes’ pertains to the amount of conflict,” the official added. “It doesn’t pertain to the amount of assistance.”

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is one of the worst linguistic gymnastics of double-talk bullshit I have ever seen yet by the West on the Ukraine war. :wink:

You were warned Zelensky not to put your head on the NATO’s trusted chopping block! :roll:

Run Zelensky, run! :D
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:25 am

What a world we live in.

The west actually encouraging war instead of peace. What happened to the UN principles where conflict is resolved by talk and ceasefire must be achieved to allow the have meaningful talks to have a chance?

When war is used to settle political problems it lasts for ever.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:26 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:The process of dumping Ukraine has started:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... al-moment/

“'As long as it takes’ pertains to the amount of conflict,” the official added. “It doesn’t pertain to the amount of assistance.”

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is one of the worst linguistic gymnastics of double-talk bullshit I have ever seen yet by the West on the Ukraine war. :wink:

You were warned Zelensky not to put your head on the NATO’s trusted chopping block! :roll:

Run Zelensky, run! :D


When a country joins Nato (better say American hegemony) automatically loses sovereignty in favor of the Americans.
This is what happened e.g. to Germany. The Americans blew up Germany's (by 50%) Nord Stream pipe lines worth tens of billions, which is a clear act of war, and Chancellor Scholtz didn't dare utter a word.
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