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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:47 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:The process of dumping Ukraine has started:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... al-moment/

“'As long as it takes’ pertains to the amount of conflict,” the official added. “It doesn’t pertain to the amount of assistance.”

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is one of the worst linguistic gymnastics of double-talk bullshit I have ever seen yet by the West on the Ukraine war. :wink:

You were warned Zelensky not to put your head on the NATO’s trusted chopping block! :roll:

Run Zelensky, run! :D


When a country joins Nato (better say American hegemony) automatically loses sovereignty in favor of the Americans.
This is what happened e.g. to Germany. The Americans blew up Germany's (by 50%) Nord Stream pipe lines worth tens of billions, which is a clear act of war, and Chancellor Scholtz didn't dare utter a word.


Nordic nations said the undersea blasts that damaged the pipelines this week and have led to huge methane leaks involved several hundred pounds of explosives.


This much explosive cannot do that much damage to the pipeline as a whole. The damage will be localised. Certainly it has put it out of action for a while but I have a feeling it will not cost that much to bring back to life after the war ends. Assuming the Europeans are allowed by the Yanks to buy gas from Russia of course.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:03 pm

Lordo wrote:This much explosive cannot do that much damage to the pipeline as a whole. The damage will be localised. Certainly it has put it out of action for a while but I have a feeling it will not cost that much to bring back to life after the war ends. Assuming the Europeans are allowed by the Yanks to buy gas from Russia of course.


From what I know the explosives were placed in many positions within a range of about 10(?) Km.
So at least that part has to be replaced. Then they must be recommissioned for possible cracks elsewhere.
You are right though, the cost might not be that high, but I doubt the Russians will be willing to pay anything.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:23 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:This much explosive cannot do that much damage to the pipeline as a whole. The damage will be localised. Certainly it has put it out of action for a while but I have a feeling it will not cost that much to bring back to life after the war ends. Assuming the Europeans are allowed by the Yanks to buy gas from Russia of course.


From what I know the explosives were placed in many positions within a range of about 10(?) Km.
So at least that part has to be replaced. Then they must be recommissioned for possible cracks elsewhere.
You are right though, the cost might not be that high, but I doubt the Russians will be willing to pay anything.

Presumably they only blew up what is in the sea. This pipeline is 1200 KM long. The repair to it I suspect will be neglidgable compared to the profits both sides will make from the trade. I suspect they will share the cost as it is in the interest of both sides to get it back on line as soon as the war is over and the sanction may be removed. But I have a feeling what ever happens to the war the Americans will not remove the sanctions. Cuba is still sanctioned by the Yanks to this day all because they lost a few casinos, a few hotels and a few acres of sugar cane fields.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:42 pm

The CUBA sanctions are voted on every year for the last 20 odd years in the UNGA and every country except two say they should be lifted. The two that refuse every time is the US and Israel! Says it all!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:20 pm

Putin's historical speech in Munich 2007. everything relevant to date. At the 19' timeline he talks about Nato expansion.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:12 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:This much explosive cannot do that much damage to the pipeline as a whole. The damage will be localised. Certainly it has put it out of action for a while but I have a feeling it will not cost that much to bring back to life after the war ends. Assuming the Europeans are allowed by the Yanks to buy gas from Russia of course.


From what I know the explosives were placed in many positions within a range of about 10(?) Km.
So at least that part has to be replaced. Then they must be recommissioned for possible cracks elsewhere.
You are right though, the cost might not be that high, but I doubt the Russians will be willing to pay anything.


How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline - Seymour Hersh

The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:47 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:This much explosive cannot do that much damage to the pipeline as a whole. The damage will be localised. Certainly it has put it out of action for a while but I have a feeling it will not cost that much to bring back to life after the war ends. Assuming the Europeans are allowed by the Yanks to buy gas from Russia of course.


From what I know the explosives were placed in many positions within a range of about 10(?) Km.
So at least that part has to be replaced. Then they must be recommissioned for possible cracks elsewhere.
You are right though, the cost might not be that high, but I doubt the Russians will be willing to pay anything.


How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline - Seymour Hersh

The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream


Yep. Here too:-->
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One by one, each of Marika the bitch's dirty secrets, in Ukraine is getting exposed.
Now (actually 12 days ago) former Israeli PM Bennet reveals the Russians were very close to a deal with the Ukrainians in Match 2022, when suddenly everything was blown up by the Americans.

https://mronline.org/2023/02/07/former- ... eace-deal/

Link to his Youtube interview here, but it's > 4 hrs long...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9tLDeWBzs&t=10774s


Btw Herh completely ignored the American MSM, and went straight to the German MSM. Public opinion in Germany is currently boiling. A critical German infrastructure (by 50%) directly linked to the well being and economic prosperity of the German nation has been destroyed by the Americans in collaboration with the Norwegians. This means that Germany was attacked by 2 other Nato members!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:01 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Putin's historical speech in Munich 2007. everything relevant to date. At the 19' timeline he talks about Nato expansion.



Wow, everybody should watch this. If nothing else there is a proper description of democracy.

As you know Democracy is the power of the majority in light of the interests and the opinion of the minority. Incidentally we are being constantly taught about democracy, but for some reason those who teach us do not want to learn themselves.
I consider that unipolar is not only unacceptable but also impossible in todays world. And this is not only because if there was individual leadership, in todays and precisely in todays world, then military political and economic resources would not suffice. What is even more important is that the model itself is flawed because at its basis there is and can be no moral foundations for modern civilisation.

I'll ave some of tha
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:12 am

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Putin's historical speech in Munich 2007. everything relevant to date. At the 19' timeline he talks about Nato expansion.



Wow, everybody should watch this. If nothing else there is a proper description of democracy.

As you know Democracy is the power of the majority in light of the interests and the opinion of the minority. Incidentally we are being constantly taught about democracy, but for some reason those who teach us do not want to learn themselves.
I consider that unipolar is not only unacceptable but also impossible in todays world. And this is not only because if there was individual leadership, in todays and precisely in todays world, then military political and economic resources would not suffice. What is even more important is that the model itself is flawed because at its basis there is and can be no moral foundations for modern civilisation.

I'll ave some of tha


...indeed, those were hopeful days.

...indeed, he knows very well the Problem; has he the courage along with Mr. Erdogan, and Mr. Zelenskyy to bring us beyond "winning": more, Freedom and Liberty.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:27 am

More about the destruction of Nord Stream pipelines.
Did you do this together Olaf?

https://twitter.com/highlightsnews1/sta ... rgi-vid%2F
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