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[Londonrake]

.............................. the US controls all the launch codes of their 'partners, friends and allies' nuclear missiles because 'friends' can become 'enemies' over night if there is a sudden change in government ..... just like happened in Ukraine in 2104!

I'll let you off with "2104"

No - they don't.

Whilst the Trident 2/D5 missiles are US manufactured (Lockheed Martin), command of those fitted to the UK's 4 Vanguard SSBNs are under the absolute and independent control of the PM (there will be lower echelon contingencies to allow for his being taken out. As with every nuclear nation).

If you know anything about them, the idea that the French would in any way allow the US a say in the deployment and use of their Nuclear deterrent is risible. Sometimes it seems more likely they'd be inclined to invite Putin.

The US is no more in control of the UK/French nuclear deterrents than Russia of China/North Korea's. Although, in the event of, I imagine there will be joint consultation on targeting. Given time.


The term "launch codes" is misleading. Probably a left over from the 1985 film "War Games".

The way it works (or at least in my days) was that SSBNs would trail a 5nm aerial, at sub-surface patrol depths, in order to pick up Very Low Frequency broadcasts from huge transmitters (the size of a small town) in a global US system. At a certain Defcon level they would dive to max depth and loiter. At pre-determined times they would approach the surface to receive broadcasts. An absence of any over a cycle of 2 would be construed as the transmitters being taken out and the sub would carry out it's standing launch orders. The last thing anybody would want to target would be those transmitters I would suggest. Nowadays I believe it's a similar philosophy but with the sub receiving satellite comms using some sort of highfaluting laser system.

When an executive coded order to launch arrives and is verified by multiple crew members, launching the missiles is carried out entirely by the submarine crew. Other than the executive messages there's no external "launch codes" procedure.

It seems to me that, for Russia to protect itself from the collective West’s nuclear arsenals aiming at her as well as their defensive missiles against Russia’s nuclear Arsenal, Russia wants to spread nuclear weapons to countries who are not inline with the collective West. In doing so, the collective West will face more nuclear weapons against them and their defensive systems in place now, which may or may not be adequate to deal with the increase threat. If not, the collective West will need to increase their military spending for more defensive weapons and/or, more offensive nuclear weapons against the new countries possessing Russian aid in nuclear weapons.

Belarus has already received Russian nuclear weapons which has caused alarms in Europe. Now North Korea will add more to their stockpile. Who’s next to receive Russian nuclear weapons, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Egypt and some other African nations along with some South American countries? Will BRICKS countries all become nuclear power with the aid of Russia to balance the nuclear threat equally around the world to the much dislike of the collective West. So, rather than trying to weaken Russia via a proxy war in Ukraine by the West, Russia might try to weaken the West too by passing out nuclear weapons like candy to the like minded countries against the collective West! The world will only get more dangerous, but that’s what happens when the collective West wants more security for themselves at the expense of others. Now the others may be pushing back to protect themselves also with the help of Russia.

You've made that up.

It's "An opinion"! Such being much derided by Mr Hood earlier. Although, as has always been the case, not if the opinion is an acceptable one.

The tactical nukes sent to Belarus are manned and under the control of Russia. Their deployment is in essence meaningless, other than as a gesture. It's yet another example of what started the first weekend of this invasion, Putin playing the nuclear card. Mostly it seems to be Medvedev's job. His almost monthly blood-curdling sermons becoming a bit of a joke. The latest had him invoking extracts from Revelations.

Your opinion is of course a fantasy. I wonder how all those countries would feel about having strategic nuclear weapons, all under Russian control, in their countries. Of course, making them primary targets in a nuclear conflagration. Clearly - it ain't going to happen.

Putin's consorting with an increasingly oddball group of "allies" strikes me as an indication of desperation. Just my "opinion" of course.

Pyrpro. You can fuck off into the corner and play with your friends of similar "mindset". I really couldn't give a flying fuck whether you read my posts or not. The truth is you don't like having yours questioned, or your past posts used to illustrate contradictions in your views. Your bog-standard response is always bully boy, keyboard warrior shit along the lines of "I don't read your posts" or "Idiot........blah, blah". You've grown more like GR by the month. Treat people with a modicum of respect, and perhaps receive similar or, fuck off and hide in the corner. Your choice. I couldn't care less.

[Pyrpolizer]

This was actually my post and not Pyro's.

Of course, it goes without saying that Russia will control the launch codes regardless which countries she might station her nukes.

My apologies .... sorry I screwed up

I agree with your comment ..... the US controls all the launch codes of their 'partners, friends and allies' nuclear missiles because 'friends' can become 'enemies' over night if there is a sudden change in government ..... just like happened in Ukraine in 2104!

Do they control the launch codes of UK, France, or Israel?
Who was that crooked face PM who said she would launch nukes against Russia. Liz Truss?

No they don't Bitches!

The UK and France have their own launch codes Bitch! And likewise, they don't share their launch codes with Merika. It's common sense bitch.

As for Israel, well they are just gonna say "what codes".

But if we are to presume they have them, then they also have their own launch codes and since they maintain a high level of secrecy over their existence, they surely too would not share them with the Merikans.

You didn't understand the point of my rhetoric question to RH idiot.
Well, since you never will, the point was to remind RH, that what he said was true in the 50s, but not anymore. And as such, no it's not common sense like you fallaciously assumed, idiotic 292038 ®.

Yes it is common sense idiot.

The UK has been a pioneer in Nuclear arms and believe me bitch, I as an Australian should know. There were 12 Nuclear tests in Australia between 1952 and 1957. And as a matter of fact, these tests were co-jointly done bilaterally between the UK and Australia. At the time, Australia was going to be the recipient of Nuclear weapons.

This only ultimately did not occur because Australia unilaterally decided at some point afterwards that it did not want Nuclear weapons and later was one of the biggest supporters and instigators of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treater and later on be a big supporter for global Nuclear disarmament. Isn’t that nice from the western country?

The US was not part of the Nuclear Tests at all. There was no transfer of technology. Everything was developed from good old British and Australian know how. There were some assistance from German Scientists I’m believed from WW2 Germany who ended up being the early pioneers of the fledgling Australian Rocket Industry in Adelaide, Woomera and Maralunga which was were the Nuclear weapons were detonated.

Read and learn idiotic 292038 ®, instead of flooding the place with you never ending fantasy stories.

The United States has deployed nuclear weapons at NATO bases in Western Europe since the 1950s, when Cold War tensions were mounting with the Soviet Union. The weapons were first transferred to the United Kingdom in 1954, and later to Germany, Italy, France, Turkey, the Netherlands, Greece, and Belgium.


https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/nuclear-we ... eployments

[Londonrake]

Ahh.............................. it's the corner then.

[Lordo]

This was actually my post and not Pyro's.

Of course, it goes without saying that Russia will control the launch codes regardless which countries she might station her nukes.

My apologies .... sorry I screwed up

I agree with your comment ..... the US controls all the launch codes of their 'partners, friends and allies' nuclear missiles because 'friends' can become 'enemies' over night if there is a sudden change in government ..... just like happened in Ukraine in 2104!

Do they control the launch codes of UK, France, or Israel?
Who was that crooked face PM who said she would launch nukes against Russia. Liz Truss?

No they don't Bitches!

The UK and France have their own launch codes Bitch! And likewise, they don't share their launch codes with Merika. It's common sense bitch.

As for Israel, well they are just gonna say "what codes".

But if we are to presume they have them, then they also have their own launch codes and since they maintain a high level of secrecy over their existence, they surely too would not share them with the Merikans.

You didn't understand the point of my rhetoric question to RH idiot.
Well, since you never will, the point was to remind RH, that what he said was true in the 50s, but not anymore. And as such, no it's not common sense like you fallaciously assumed, idiotic 292038 ®.

Yes it is common sense idiot.

The UK has been a pioneer in Nuclear arms and believe me bitch, I as an Australian should know. There were 12 Nuclear tests in Australia between 1952 and 1957. And as a matter of fact, these tests were co-jointly done bilaterally between the UK and Australia. At the time, Australia was going to be the recipient of Nuclear weapons.

This only ultimately did not occur because Australia unilaterally decided at some point afterwards that it did not want Nuclear weapons and later was one of the biggest supporters and instigators of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treater and later on be a big supporter for global Nuclear disarmament. Isn’t that nice from the western country?

The US was not part of the Nuclear Tests at all. There was no transfer of technology. Everything was developed from good old British and Australian know how. There were some assistance from German Scientists I’m believed from WW2 Germany who ended up being the early pioneers of the fledgling Australian Rocket Industry in Adelaide, Woomera and Maralunga which was were the Nuclear weapons were detonated.

Read and learn idiotic 292038 ®, instead of flooding the place with you never ending fantasy stories.

The United States has deployed nuclear weapons at NATO bases in Western Europe since the 1950s, when Cold War tensions were mounting with the Soviet Union. The weapons were first transferred to the United Kingdom in 1954, and later to Germany, Italy, France, Turkey, the Netherlands, Greece, and Belgium.


https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/nuclear-we ... eployments

They have also said they are supplying the Ukranins depleted uranium shells too.

[repulsewarrior]

[Paphitis]

.............................. the US controls all the launch codes of their 'partners, friends and allies' nuclear missiles because 'friends' can become 'enemies' over night if there is a sudden change in government ..... just like happened in Ukraine in 2104!

I'll let you off with "2104"

No - they don't.

Whilst the Trident 2/D5 missiles are US manufactured (Lockheed Martin), command of those fitted to the UK's 4 Vanguard SSBNs are under the absolute and independent control of the PM (there will be lower echelon contingencies to allow for his being taken out. As with every nuclear nation).

If you know anything about them, the idea that the French would in any way allow the US a say in the deployment and use of their Nuclear deterrent is risible. Sometimes it seems more likely they'd be inclined to invite Putin.

The US is no more in control of the UK/French nuclear deterrents than Russia of China/North Korea's. Although, in the event of, I imagine there will be joint consultation on targeting. Given time.


The term "launch codes" is misleading. Probably a left over from the 1985 film "War Games".

The way it works (or at least in my days) was that SSBNs would trail a 5nm aerial, at sub-surface patrol depths, in order to pick up Very Low Frequency broadcasts from huge transmitters (the size of a small town) in a global US system. At a certain Defcon level they would dive to max depth and loiter. At pre-determined times they would approach the surface to receive broadcasts. An absence of any over a cycle of 2 would be construed as the transmitters being taken out and the sub would carry out it's standing launch orders. The last thing anybody would want to target would be those transmitters I would suggest. Nowadays I believe it's a similar philosophy but with the sub receiving satellite comms using some sort of highfaluting laser system.

When an executive coded order to launch arrives and is verified by multiple crew members, launching the missiles is carried out entirely by the submarine crew. Other than the executive messages there's no external "launch codes" procedure.

It seems to me that, for Russia to protect itself from the collective West’s nuclear arsenals aiming at her as well as their defensive missiles against Russia’s nuclear Arsenal, Russia wants to spread nuclear weapons to countries who are not inline with the collective West. In doing so, the collective West will face more nuclear weapons against them and their defensive systems in place now, which may or may not be adequate to deal with the increase threat. If not, the collective West will need to increase their military spending for more defensive weapons and/or, more offensive nuclear weapons against the new countries possessing Russian aid in nuclear weapons.

Belarus has already received Russian nuclear weapons which has caused alarms in Europe. Now North Korea will add more to their stockpile. Who’s next to receive Russian nuclear weapons, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Egypt and some other African nations along with some South American countries? Will BRICKS countries all become nuclear power with the aid of Russia to balance the nuclear threat equally around the world to the much dislike of the collective West. So, rather than trying to weaken Russia via a proxy war in Ukraine by the West, Russia might try to weaken the West too by passing out nuclear weapons like candy to the like minded countries against the collective West! The world will only get more dangerous, but that’s what happens when the collective West wants more security for themselves at the expense of others. Now the others may be pushing back to protect themselves also with the help of Russia.

You've made that up.

It's "An opinion"! Such being much derided by Mr Hood earlier. Although, as has always been the case, not if the opinion is an acceptable one.

The tactical nukes sent to Belarus are manned and under the control of Russia. Their deployment is in essence meaningless, other than as a gesture. It's yet another example of what started the first weekend of this invasion, Putin playing the nuclear card. Mostly it seems to be Medvedev's job. His almost monthly blood-curdling sermons becoming a bit of a joke. The latest had him invoking extracts from Revelations.

Your opinion is of course a fantasy. I wonder how all those countries would feel about having strategic nuclear weapons, all under Russian control, in their countries. Of course, making them primary targets in a nuclear conflagration. Clearly - it ain't going to happen.

Putin's consorting with an increasingly oddball group of "allies" strikes me as an indication of desperation. Just my "opinion" of course.

Pyrpro. You can fuck off into the corner and play with your friends of similar "mindset". I really couldn't give a flying fuck whether you read my posts or not. The truth is you don't like having yours questioned, or your past posts used to illustrate contradictions in your views. Your bog-standard response is always bully boy, keyboard warrior shit along the lines of "I don't read your posts" or "Idiot........blah, blah". You've grown more like GR by the month. Treat people with a modicum of respect, and perhaps receive similar or, fuck off and hide in the corner. Your choice. I couldn't care less.

Had the privilege to visit 1 of 2 locations globally where these transmitters are located.

One set is at Harold E Hold Navy Station on Australia’s Harold E Holt. Funny enough, this is a joint US and Australian facility.

The other is at Pearl Harbour I Believe.

This is where the launch commands are transmitted from.

[repulsewarrior]

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/09/08/ ... in-crimea/

...for the record.

(i don't think this issue, for Musk, will go away.)

[repulsewarrior]

...''no moral cover for staying in Russia''; not a lot of options for the Chinese if they seek expansion militarily either.

[Pyrpolizer]

They have also said they are supplying the Ukranins depleted uranium shells too.

Depleted Uranium is far from nuclear bomb grade.
More about it here:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wh ... 023-09-07/
The West denies any evidence for health risks. Corrupt Western "Science" (paid or controlled) juuust dares touch the issue and mention a few "insignificant" health risks. However the proof is there, e.g. in the affected areas of Iraq the number of cancers, miscarriages, and births of monstrous babies is statistically far beyond normal.

[Kikapu]

It seems to me that, for Russia to protect itself from the collective West’s nuclear arsenals aiming at her as well as their defensive missiles against Russia’s nuclear Arsenal, Russia wants to spread nuclear weapons to countries who are not inline with the collective West. In doing so, the collective West will face more nuclear weapons against them and their defensive systems in place now, which may or may not be adequate to deal with the increase threat. If not, the collective West will need to increase their military spending for more defensive weapons and/or, more offensive nuclear weapons against the new countries possessing Russian aid in nuclear weapons.

Belarus has already received Russian nuclear weapons which has caused alarms in Europe. Now North Korea will add more to their stockpile. Who’s next to receive Russian nuclear weapons, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Egypt and some other African nations along with some South American countries? Will BRICKS countries all become nuclear power with the aid of Russia to balance the nuclear threat equally around the world to the much dislike of the collective West. So, rather than trying to weaken Russia via a proxy war in Ukraine by the West, Russia might try to weaken the West too by passing out nuclear weapons like candy to the like minded countries against the collective West! The world will only get more dangerous, but that’s what happens when the collective West wants more security for themselves at the expense of others. Now the others may be pushing back to protect themselves also with the help of Russia.

You've made that up.

It's "An opinion"! Such being much derided by Mr Hood earlier. Although, as has always been the case, not if the opinion is an acceptable one.

The tactical nukes sent to Belarus are manned and under the control of Russia. Their deployment is in essence meaningless, other than as a gesture. It's yet another example of what started the first weekend of this invasion, Putin playing the nuclear card. Mostly it seems to be Medvedev's job. His almost monthly blood-curdling sermons becoming a bit of a joke. The latest had him invoking extracts from Revelations.

Your opinion is of course a fantasy. I wonder how all those countries would feel about having strategic nuclear weapons, all under Russian control, in their countries. Of course, making them primary targets in a nuclear conflagration. Clearly - it ain't going to happen.

Putin's consorting with an increasingly oddball group of "allies" strikes me as an indication of desperation. Just my "opinion" of course.

LR, you are hilarious at times, especially when Paphitis makes an appearance on the Ukraine war. As much as I like seeing both you and Paphitis making an appearance, you both have very little to none substance to discuss about on the war, therefore it is difficult to find something worthwhile writing back to you guys.

I made what up exactly?

Is it not a fact that Belarus has received nukes from Russia and North Korea will receive advance nukes technology from Russia if the talks go well soon?

Cuba was receptive to Russian nukes being on their territory before, so why not now since the collective West once again wants to bring the “Cold War” back with Russia? Iran will be happy to have some Russian nukes in their country considering how it is treated by the West. There are many countries which side with Russia on many issues, so why not station the Russian nukes too under the control of the Russians? It does not mean they will be nuked by the West, but the West would need to remove some Nike’s pointing at Russia and diverted to other targets. Whether one has nukes or not, they will not escape the horrors of a full blown out nuklear war between NATO and Russia, including the Vatican. God will not come to anyone’s call for help, but the question is, will the West’s arrogance in feeling that they have the military superiority over Russia will stop them from using Nuclear weapons, not that they haven’t already used them twice before?

The Russians suspended their nuclear treaty with the USA and it is not likely to return at anytime soon, unless the USA/NATO makes compromises on their nukes. Until that happens, Russia will explore other options in placing their nukes in different countries against NATO just to stretch NATO’s defensive missiles, or for NATO to spend more money to try and fill the exposed gaps with more defensive missiles if they can. For a long time NATO had it easy in placing defensive missiles against Russian nukes when fired from greater Russia. Well, that may be changing thanks to the NATO’s proxy war against Russia in Ukraine. It will be question of time when the Russians start stationing nuke in space. “Star Wars” will be the topic of discussion again, but in Russia’s favour, considering NASA is not a viable entity at the moment when it comes to space.

Putin might be allies with oddballs via desperation as you call it, but you do not mention desperation of the collective West against Russia by being allies with the Nazis in Ukraine. So, in your view which one can only conclude is that, oddballs are worse than Nazis. Nice one, LR!