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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:24 pm

Kicks:


Ahh, the usual conundrum. As always, there's little - if any - latitude for reasoned discussion on this emotive subject. A lot of partisan rote mostly. It tends to lean towards a sort of "last man standing" thing I guess. Perhaps we can continue to keep it civilised though?

I'm glad you're getting some entertainment from myself and Paphitis. Things surely evolved as I predicted though? You very few Russian zealots, exchanging links and patting each other on the back, sort of thing, Boring?

It gets tedious repeating it but - to reiterate - Paphitis speaks for himself, in his own innate style and manner. One which I don't think I can be accused of. I am not, and never been, gung-ho regarding Ukrainian efforts in this war. I see people like yourself though - and the guy over there in the self-opiniated bully-boy corner pouting - revelling and gloating in what the Russians are doing in the country and find it a tad morally offensive. Apparently, bringing up the thousands of civilian deaths, massive destruction and millions of refugees the Russians are responsible for in Ukraine is "whining". And fuck you Pyrpo. Ohh! You're reading this! BOOOOHH! But - you've sort of fucked yourself up haven't you? As the great man found out when he blocked me (twice! :lol:). Something I regarded as a badge of distinction. Sorry, I reverted to the uncivilised there. We are only human.

Your postulation that Russia will be placing missiles in countries various is entirely speculative. That's a polite way of saying you've made it up. It isn't going to happen because e.g. Venezuela has enough problems without letting the Russians park nukes in their country, making them a primary target.

IMHO there are no "defensive missiles" which are effective against ICBMs. The only realistic defense is to take them out before they get off the ground or out of the water (the latter's a difficult one - trust me). Anyway, good luck with that Venezuela.

As far as increasing spending on more nukes is concerned I believe, despite past SALT resolutions, there are still far more than enough of them to destroy the planet several times over, on each side. For instance, a single UK Vanguard SSBN carries 192 nuclear warheads. Each capable of destroying Moscow. Coming in at over 3000 miles an hour (wow! hypersonic!) clouded in chaff and decoys. Russian Typhoons have a similar capability of course. Again, you speculate. There's no substance or foundation at all for what you're suggesting. Aka - wait for it - you're making it up.

I suspect the Israelis would have something to say about any nuclear weapons - Russian or not - on Iranian soil. Tick tock. I would ask "Would the Iranians be that stupid?" but - on reflection....................

Russia has placed tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus. So what? How does that change things? It's yet another "playing the nuclear card" effort. I've lost count. All designed to spread fear and division as they've tried to do, with monotonous regularity, since the very beginning of their invasion. TBH, it doesn't really seem to be working as far as I've seen. Those weapons - as any such would be if placed around the world - are entirely manned and controlled by Russia. I suspect that Lukashenko was horrified at the prospect but given he's been kept in power by his other Dictator buddy didn't really have much choice.

What North Korea will receive or not is again a matter of speculation. Although, the fact any discussions at all are taking place seems indicative of Putin's desperation for supplies of weapons. Five minutes ago he was one of the leaders in invoking sanctions on the country and if he thinks Chubby Chops will be a reliable ally ............................ I don't think Putin, even in his current state of mind, would be inclined to hand over anything related to nuclear weapons to NK. They seem more interested in help feeding the starvation diet population, whilst spending the national treasure on nuclear toys. We shall see I guess.

The Ukranian "Nazi" thing is a joke, surely? This, from a man who's been a dictator with absolute power in Russia for over 2 decades. One who totally controls all organs of the State and has ruthlessly suppressed any opposition. Funny that sort of thing never gets talked about in here. :? Moreover, a man responsible for an invasion of (yet) another country, using exactly the same excuse Goebbels did in 1939. There's nothing new in the universe.

TBH. The thing that perplexes me most is, how people like yourself and - the self opiniated bully-boy pouting in the corner - with all that western culture and life has allowed you to advance to the comfortable position you are in today - can have such reverence for the man. :? Personally - although not of a religious persuasion - I find myself fondly wishing he burns in Hell, along with the other butchering dictators, with their hundreds of millions of victims, we've had to endure over the past century.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:59 am

@ LR and Paphitis,

This state senator from Maine gets it mostly correct on the Ukraine war!


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:00 am

Kikapu wrote:@ LR and Paphitis,

This state senator from Maine gets it mostly correct on the Ukraine war!




If you liked the short version of the above video with State Senator Eric Brakey, then you will love the longer version in the video below. :wink:

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:06 am

Londonrake wrote:Kicks:

TBH. The thing that perplexes me most is, how people like yourself and - the self opiniated bully-boy pouting in the corner - with all that western culture and life has allowed you to advance to the comfortable position you are in today - can have such reverence for the man. :? Personally - although not of a religious persuasion - I find myself fondly wishing he burns in Hell, along with the other butchering dictators, with their hundreds of millions of victims, we've had to endure over the past century.


To be honest with you LR, I do not have any reverence for Putin, but it has more to do with disgust in how the West I have lived in wants to control the world in their own image as if they were the Gods, even if it means supporting Neo Nazis in Ukraine to achieve it, even after how the world had suffered under fascism since WWI. Can you explain that to me which makes any sense at all?

The West is good at creating “boogeymen” leaders of countries we want to try and control. It just so happens, it is Putin’s turn now, the boogeyman Dijour to be brought down. Before him were others like Gaddafi, Saddam, pineapple face Noriega, Milosevic, Castro, Ortega and so on. Some the West manage to remove or kill, and others not, but have ruined their countries anyway. The West is already talking about going after China after Russia is defeated. The West’s search for boogeymen around the world never ends because of the West’s arrogance in wanting to dominate the world. If you support all these evil acts of the West, then that is you LR, but not me. We are suppose to love our fellow men, despite I too not being of any religious persuasion.

This time the West has gone after a fish way too big to catch, control or kill, that being Putin and Russia, and we should all be grateful for that, because neither Putin nor Russia will go down without taking the rest of us down with them in a nuclear Armageddon. I don’t know about you, but I would still like to continue living in the world I know than the world we do not wish to know after WWIII.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:02 pm

Here is absolute proof on how the Yanks believe in democracy. I mean anybody who does not support The Yanks regarding Ukraine are absolute bastards right?

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:08 pm

So why were Nixon and Kissinger never tried for war crimes than?

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:54 pm

...''to save Humanity", destroy the world preemptively.



...a dogma toward Democratic collapse in affect, the "Russian" path that Putin's circle raises.

...indeed, i don't doubt there are "Americans"; don't kid yourself "Russians" are no better.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:57 pm

Afternoon bitches!

Paphitis is in da house!

How is the war in Ukraine going? Any updates from the front lines or the Black Sea?

How is the Black Sea fleet going? I heard that the Minsk and Submarine Rostov on Don have gone to a better place - heaven for landing ships and submarines. :lol: :lol:

So wonderful…

At this rate bitches, NATO just needs to send Cyprus in to finish Ruzzia off. :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:03 am

Kikapu wrote:
Kikapu wrote:@ LR and Paphitis,

This state senator from Maine gets it mostly correct on the Ukraine war!




If you liked the short version of the above video with State Senator Eric Brakey, then you will love the longer version in the video below. :wink:



He is 1 of 4 US GOP senators who are delusional and going against the grain, of common sense.

Yes we have them in Merika. They are quite nasty individuals too. These are the guys pandering to the tin foil hatters, and pander to the Fundamentalist and fanatical sectors of Christianity. Not the mainstream of course, but the hateful fundamentalists who seem to think that Russia is holding the last line of defence against LGBTQI+ civil liberties.

The US is a Liberal country that will provide basic human rights to all people and that includes people represented by the above acronym. The alternative is to abuse human rights and civil liberties. That is something that can not happen in Merika.

To put this into perspective, this US Senator and his like are very much similar in mentality to Orthodox Fundamentalist Cypriots who think the Bishop of Morphou is some intellectual Einstein rather than a whack job. Put simply, whacked out people exist in Cyprus and in Merika and they always claim to act for decency, peace and human rights, when nothing can be further from the truth.

Ruzzia is a country that has no time for these liberties at all and is dangerously close to what NAZISM represented when these people were gassed in the holocaust.

Negotiations and ceasefire are the worst thing that can happen now for Ukraine and world. This will only postpone things to a future date, and give Ruzzia a good operational pause to prepare for further attacks on Ukraine in a few years time. The Ukrainian people and the world are now hellbent on finishing this off through force of arms and liberate their lands. Ukraine has the upper hand so it’s not in Ukraine’s or their people’s best interest. All it will do is condemn them to more war in the future.

As far as the west is concerned, Ukraine has our collective support. Too much money has been spent and too many have sacrificed to stop now.

Maybe negotiations will occur when Ruzxia has little to negotiate with. And the negotiations will not favour Ruzzia.it will be Ukraine negotiating from a position of strength and power.

Now it’s time for some sleep. :D
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:11 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Kikapu wrote:@ LR and Paphitis,

This state senator from Maine gets it mostly correct on the Ukraine war!




If you liked the short version of the above video with State Senator Eric Brakey, then you will love the longer version in the video below. :wink:



He is 1 of 4 US GOP senators who are delusional and going against the grain, of common sense.

Yes we have them in Merika. They are quite nasty individuals too. These are the guys pandering to the tin foil hatters, and pander to the Fundamentalist and fanatical sectors of Christianity. Not the mainstream of course, but the hateful fundamentalists who seem to think that Russia is holding the last line of defence against LGBTQI+ civil liberties.

The US is a Liberal country that will provide basic human rights to all people and that includes people represented by the above acronym. The alternative is to abuse human rights and civil liberties. That is something that can not happen in Merika.

To put this into perspective, this US Senator and his like are very much similar in mentality to Orthodox Fundamentalist Cypriots who think the Bishop of Morphou is some intellectual Einstein rather than a whack job. Put simply, whacked out people exist in Cyprus and in Merika and they always claim to act for decency, peace and human rights, when nothing can be further from the truth.

Ruzzia is a country that has no time for these liberties at all and is dangerously close to what NAZISM represented when these people were gassed in the holocaust.

Negotiations and ceasefire are the worst thing that can happen now for Ukraine and world. This will only postpone things to a future date, and give Ruzzia a good operational pause to prepare for further attacks on Ukraine in a few years time. The Ukrainian people and the world are now hellbent on finishing this off through force of arms and liberate their lands. Ukraine has the upper hand so it’s not in Ukraine’s or their people’s best interest. All it will do is condemn them to more war in the future.

As far as the west is concerned, Ukraine has our collective support. Too much money has been spent and too many have sacrificed to stop now.

Maybe negotiations will occur when Ruzxia has little to negotiate with. And the negotiations will not favour Ruzzia.it will be Ukraine negotiating from a position of strength and power.

Now it’s time for some sleep. :D


Paphitis, you should have gone to sleep already before writing the above which had very little to do with the contents of the videos. :wink:

The GOP is forced to go along with Biden’s approach to the war in Ukraine just in case Russia lost and Ukraine won, so that the DNC doesn’t blame to GOP during the elections next year for not helping Ukraine to win. So the GOP went along, but since the war is being lost by Ukraine regardless what ALL the talking heads say otherwise, the GOP is now in a position to blame Biden for Ukraine losing the war despite the GOP giving him everything he had asked for. A good play by the Republicans who had a win-win strategy. Regardless who wins the elections next year, Ukraine will not be getting the support it has enjoyed from Biden since the war started last year, even if Biden is still alive and yet again elected. The GOP will pull the plug on Ukraine as the US can only throw so much good money after bad.
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