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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:58 pm

It appears the missile which kiled and ingured dozens in Donetsk ..... which Russia was blamed for by Zelenskey has now been verified as being a Ukrainian missile. I will bet the MSM will not be as quick to retract the story as they were to promote Zelenskey's lies?

New York Times Acknowledges Ukrainian Origin Of Deadly Strike

The New York Times is finally acknowledging that the September 6 deadly impact of a missile in the center of Kostiantynivka was caused by a Ukrainian missile:

Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy

One wonders what took them so long.


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/09/new-york-times-acknowledges-ukrainian-origin-of-deadly-strike-.html
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:25 pm

As it is so often during war the first casualty is the truth. Take the truth out of any report and you are left with propaganda pure and simple.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:29 pm



...at the UN Security Council; he speaks of safety and changing the UN so that people everywhere will be safer (not just in Ukraine: in effect his "Peace Plan").

Speaking as he does, so strongly as well, has impressed me. And his reasoning makes much sense, the Problem (in effect) with this will may finally find its solution (in the UN itself).

...it really is up to Mr. Putin: a War Criminal, or not; his Legacy to choose and who he'll find admiring him when his time is up. (It is, after-all, his war.)

Intentions count.

...and where is Mr. Putin but at the table where Mr. Erdogan sits; it is not hard for me to imagine that such men can solve the Problem, but for the fact that "It" suits their (own) ambitions.

Things change however, everything changes, even conscious choice; he may choose to join with Mr. Zelenskyy and Mr. Erdogan, to make Peace, to change the way the World looks at the word, what security would look like otherwise, not just in Ukraine, the Ukraine a template: a result from their resolve to change the UN Charter to make all warring truly accountable to the UN a more inclusive state. They (together) may turn to other things, bigger enemies, and not each other...
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:23 pm

It looks as though Armenia is playing Russian Roulette. All because they losy Nagorno Karabag which they invaded decades ago.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/armenia-to-exercise-with-us-troops-next-week-in-sign-of-frustration-with-russia
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:48 pm

Do you now support Armenia claiming the lands back that Turkey invaded.

I don't suppose you would welcome them in Turkey as refugees or is this only reserved for Europe for you.?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:28 am

Fears of “ethnic cleansing” against Armenians
After Armenia and Azerbaijan fought a war over Nagorno-Karabakh in 2020, a Russia-brokered cease-fire agreement has since collapsed, with Azerbaijani forces taking control of the Lachin Corridor, the road connecting the territory to Armenia. Since then, aid organizations say they have been unable to deliver supplies of food and fuel, amid growing fears of “ethnic cleansing.”

In a message shared through intermediaries outside the region due to intermittent internet connection, Sergey Ghazaryan, the unrecognized government’s foreign minister, said Azerbaijan had sent in troops “in order to implement its policy of genocide, is moving towards the physical destruction of the civilian population and the destruction of civilian objects.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/azerbai ... h-armenia/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:33 am

Lordo wrote:As it is so often during war the first casualty is the truth. Take the truth out of any report and you are left with propaganda pure and simple.


Never a truer a word said ..... and you only have to read RW post to see proof of that and see what happens when THE FACTS are left out of the story. :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:29 am

RepulseWarrior ..... said
...it really is up to Mr. Putin: a War Criminal, or not; his Legacy to choose and who he'll find admiring him when his time is up. (It is, after-all, his war.)

You mean he has been accused of being a war criminal, by an organisation the US does not recognise, the ICC? Accused by Ukraine who are by all accounts (Amnesty Intl.) responsible for causing many deaths by using civilians as hostages or embedding their forces in civilian buildings such as schools, hospitals and residential buildings?

Pray tell how this is Russia's war? They may be winning but they didn't start it .... did they! :?:

This war started in early 2014 as a civil war after a US inspired coup. It was an eight year genocidal war by Kyiv on the Russian speaking people in the South/East. Russia only took action directly in response to a US backed build up of Kyiv forces on the Donbas LoC prior from late 2013, which they turned into a massive escalation of the conflict (OSCE) when they invaded Donbas about a week before Russia responded when they were provoked to enforce a RTP the Donetsk and Luhansk peoples republics.

Surely he who throws the first punch ...... starts the fight!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:33 am

repulsewarrior wrote:Speaking as he does, so strongly as well, has impressed me. And his reasoning makes much sense, the Problem (in effect) with this will may finally find its solution (in the UN itself).

You always know when Zelenskey is lying ..... when his mouth moves!

Russia is all for the UN having a much bigger roll but as he says, the UN needs to be brought up to date to reflect a multipolar World! At the moment it is little more that a talking shop with no teeth. The UNSC is dominated by maybe 5-6 major players, the most powerful have VETO's. Which makes it is pretty useless.

There is a speech by Putin on the subject of the roll of the UN, but as the West blocks RT you have to go out of your way to find it. :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:11 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
Fears of “ethnic cleansing” against Armenians
After Armenia and Azerbaijan fought a war over Nagorno-Karabakh in 2020, a Russia-brokered cease-fire agreement has since collapsed, with Azerbaijani forces taking control of the Lachin Corridor, the road connecting the territory to Armenia. Since then, aid organizations say they have been unable to deliver supplies of food and fuel, amid growing fears of “ethnic cleansing.”

In a message shared through intermediaries outside the region due to intermittent internet connection, Sergey Ghazaryan, the unrecognized government’s foreign minister, said Azerbaijan had sent in troops “in order to implement its policy of genocide, is moving towards the physical destruction of the civilian population and the destruction of civilian objects.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/azerbai ... h-armenia/

No RW Armenia and Azerbaijan did not fight a war over Karabag as the Azeris call it. Armenia invaded it and took it from the Azeris. The irony of course is the fact that Russia could have stopped that war and chose not to at the time. But now it seems Armenia is no longer supported by Russia. Who knows what games are being played in the background.
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