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[Lordo]

I see the role of Poland a bit sinister in this matter than what it may seem on surface. Poland always claimed Western part of Ukraine as its own. First, the Poles helped the Ukrainians to engage in a war with Russia, and after Russia has destroyed most of the Ukrainian military forces, Poland is getting ready to move into Ukraine to claim what it’s hers with very little resistance from the Ukrainians. In effect, Ukraine will have two fronts to fight, three if Belarus too joins the action.

When all it’s said and done, there will be very little left of Ukraine as I see it!

I believe there's an alternative and - dare I say - more rational perspective on that? Even - in this surely most intolerant of subjects on a notably intolerant forum - a quite civilised one.

For now though, it seems the ideologues have possession of the thread.

Yes but, there is also this to ponder over. When most EU countries are refusing to send military age Ukrainian men back to Ukraine to be conscripted to the military and certain death, requested by Zelensky for their return, Poland is willing to send back around 150,000. The question is, why? Is it because Poland doesn’t want these men in the country causing problems if it makes the move to take part of Western Ukraine, or is it better for the Russians to kill them and for their women and children to remain in Poland as Poles?

Surely they cannot be that sinister.

[repulsewarrior]

...you can thank Kissinger for your "multipolar world", like his "spheres of influence", it is and was a simple way to divide (and control) 'us'.

...no, it is not Russia's war, it is Putin's war, ("Russians": as he defines Russians), still fighting the same "Cold War" no different to "Them", and, in its most destructive ways.

(he is a wanna be)

Who stated this war; "They" did.

...let's be clear. I am Greek and i am no "Greek". I am just like the Turk i may meet who just like me hates "Turks" and for the same reasons.

...who is this "they'' you talk about if it is not the same "them" that i do; i do not take it well when i am called a "Greek" just because i'm Greek.

I suppose i cannot blame you for what you say, we all live in "Their" mythic reality, but i suggest that you rethink whose "side" you're on and act accordingly.

...and yes, the problem in Ukraine is the same problem in Cyprus, where "Ukrainians" and "Russians" usurp the rights of citizens around them not like them, Ukrainians and Russians.

What is the Problem is more a state of mind indeed, intentions count.

...more accurately the question should be: who throws punches; the answer again is, "Them".

[Oceanside50]

It’s as clear as day.. the neo con globalist, underestimated the Russian army. They naively hoped for a revolt against Putin.. when Wagner commander turned and headed towards Moscow, the fake news media were blasting, that a coup had occurred.. they were wrong. Putin and his buddy had a good laugh in the Kremlin and a few weeks later gave an encore, with his buddies fake death.. In the end the EU will capitulate and disperse. It was a good idea at the time of creation but the EU will disintegrate into oblivion.. yes we the fans of Cyprus cheered when the ROC joined but can anyone now say that if Turkey tries to capture the rest of the island, that the EU will jump in to save us..

[Lordo]

It’s as clear as day.. the neo con globalist, underestimated the Russian army. They naively hoped for a revolt against Putin.. when Wagner commander turned and headed towards Moscow, the fake news media were blasting, that a coup had occurred.. they were wrong. Putin and his buddy had a good laugh in the Kremlin and a few weeks later gave an encore, with his buddies fake death.. In the end the EU will capitulate and disperse. It was a good idea at the time of creation but the EU will disintegrate into oblivion.. yes we the fans of Cyprus cheered when the ROC joined but can anyone now say that if Turkey tries to capture the rest of the island, that the EU will jump in to save us..

Is there such a pact in the EU? I think not.

[Lordo]

...you can thank Kissinger for your "multipolar world", like his "spheres of influence", it is and was a simple way to divide (and control) 'us'.

...no, it is not Russia's war, it is Putin's war, ("Russians": as he defines Russians), still fighting the same "Cold War" no different to "Them", and, in its most destructive ways.

(he is a wanna be)

Who stated this war; "They" did.

...let's be clear. I am Greek and i am no "Greek". I am just like the Turk i may meet who just like me hates "Turks" and for the same reasons.

...who is this "they'' you talk about if it is not the same "them" that i do; i do not take it well when i am called a "Greek" just because i'm Greek.

I suppose i cannot blame you for what you say, we all live in "Their" mythic reality, but i suggest that you rethink whose "side" you're on and act accordingly.

...and yes, the problem in Ukraine is the same problem in Cyprus, where "Ukrainians" and "Russians" usurp the rights of citizens around them not like them, Ukrainians and Russians.

What is the Problem is more a state of mind indeed, intentions count.

...more accurately the question should be: who throws punches; the answer again is, "Them".

I fear it was in place long before Kissinger was anywhere near power. It started at the end of WW2 when the Americans left the "Stay Behind" groups in order to stop socialists coming to power in Europe any way necessary including murder.

You need to read Makarios Drousiotis's book about the Cyprus Problem. He researches it very well how CIA creates the "Stay Behind" groups in every European country including Greece and Turkey. We refer to them as Deep State groups.

[repulsewarrior]

@ Ocean,

...yes, 'we' seem small when compared to "Them'', and in such a time of change it is hard to imagine that anyone will take care of 'us' but 'us'; hasn't this been the same way of life for Cypriots even before mobility and the Modern Age?

...but let us remember that when it came to these few, they fought back against the Imperialistic notions (read: corruption) that only replaced the Ottoman's in name, and, when so much Hope revolved around the great Principles which were taking shape at the time.

Cyprus gained its independence, EOKA rested. And such a legacy should have been credited to these men but for EOKAB which clung to their "Greekness" as a dogma unfulfilled just like the "Turkishness" which is equally as hateful (and for "Them" just as enduring). What did they do but fail with the coup that ended so quickly because Cypriots, Greeks, to be precise did not support it. "Turkishness" remains, and it too must be exposed by Cypriots. Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots may stand together, against "Them" (again), certainly Turkish Cypriots should not be fighting alone what is 'our' enemy; is it unimaginable?

ENOSIS is a word "They" fear: if it was ever given a Cypriot meaning, if 'we' can overcome our own fear to "be" Cypriot, if 'we' reject the reality "They" offer (and "Their" definition of who and what 'we' are).

...so it is in the Ukraine: it is not a Russian war but a "Russian" war, it is not against "Ukrainians" it is against Ukrainians; this is the Problem. It is a problem that has been used by usurpers for decades now, where "This" must stop.

[repulsewarrior]

...absolutely Lordo; Gladio, i remember well, years ago it was you who exposed me to them actually.

Indeed, the Problem should have stopped in Cyprus, such a notion; where one (read: an Individual) does not walk Free, in Freedom, because being a Person for some has meanings of "something" quite different.

...a need, "Their" need for a military-industrial complex too big to fail invites such corruption what with the power that comes from this capacity; "This" is their threat as they get bigger and bigger, the 'us' we fought for no more.

[Lordo]

Hang on a minute RW.

Back in 1963, April 1st to be precise, Makarios stood by the grave side of EOKA men and claimed that he could hear their voices and that, They were calling for him to continue with the struggle they started.

EOKA far from disbanding they were in government in control of government machinery. The first casualties of 1963, Cemaliye and Zeki were killed by Civilians armed and police. In fact the policeman in charge at the killings was the Commander of Nicosia on the scene. As there had not been a single shooting prior, why were GC civilians armed and setting up road blocks?

Far from being disbanded they were in control. EOKA and TMT were both set up by the Deep State organisations of Greece and Turkey. They are still operating to this day.

[Kikapu]

Have you all noticed that Zelensky has fired most of his inner circle corrupt officials recently, who are now enjoying life with all the money they have illegally gained, and also how Zelensky himself has been rocking the boat with his sponsors of the war in Ukraine, so that he to can be forced to leave office with all his corrupt gains in the millions, so that he too can go and have a shave, dump the kakis and dress like a millionaire that he is and leave the war to the remaining Ukrainians to deal with.

Wasn’t Zelensky meant to be the next Churchill in the making at the start of the war last year?

I guess Zelensky couldn’t fill Churchill’s shoes after all. What a shocker!

He is a charlatan, but some on here fell in love with this Nazi praising little “green” man!

[Lordo]

Have you all noticed that Zelensky has fired most of his inner circle corrupt officials recently, who are now enjoying life with all the money they have illegally gained, and also how Zelensky himself has been rocking the boat with his sponsors of the war in Ukraine, so that he to can be forced to leave office with all his corrupt gains in the millions, so that he too can go and have a shave, dump the kakis and dress like a millionaire that he is and leave the war to the remaining Ukrainians to deal with.

Wasn’t Zelensky meant to be the next Churchill in the making at the start of the war last year?

I guess Zelensky couldn’t fill Churchill’s shoes after all. What a shocker!

He is a charlatan, but some on here fell in love with this Nazi praising little “green” man!

Actually comparing him with Churchill is very accurate. He was responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths in Chanakkale war, he was also responsible for the death of over 60,000 British Soldiers in France when he invaded and had to bring the soldiers back, and during the evacuation British soldiers were either captured or killed. I suspect this figure is not correct, back at school somehow I remember 200,000 soldiers being killed. I would not put it past the Swine to revise the history. It was Churchill that ordered the bombing of Dresden killing over 80,000 civilians.

The Swine tend to believe Churchill won the war, like hell he did. It was Stalin and the Russian winter that decimated the Nazis. If it was not for them we would all be speaking German now.