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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Sep 23, 2023 11:31 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...the so-called Orthodox Church in Russia is a corruption of Faith. Their power is not linked to any Universal Oneness, but to Putin, isolated as they are in the Church itself because "they" are just like him.

Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, and Orthodox know One Way (despite 'our' diversity as believers); that is to be Loving: to serve Lovingly.

...Buddhists, and Atheists may not believe in such a God, but as World Religions they too act accordingly.

Can one believe that the Archbishop in Moscow is worthy of such a position, i am not alone in my asking.

...and while ''Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds'' are a part of America's greatness, to me it only demonstrates how vast our world is and at it's extremes it is almost unknowable.

Five years old i was working, and i'm proud of that; to each his own. In any case my Family raised me right (and i am grateful for it).

...and at 28 did i take the apple from the 16 year old, after-all she had her father's (and her mother's) permission (they were "rich" no less); you don't know half the story, and i am glad to see these same people no longer the same.

...there are many stories i can tell, i dug deep to know, in a time where, where i lived i found young people (even children) in far worse conditions seeking help and who found help finding me.

The vengeful God is not the only image of such greatness, let's not forget. And as it is, Stalin's hatefulness has everything to do with what Ukrainians, from "Russianness", suffer today.

I suppose (Ocean) if you are "Christian" you may find my personal experience quite repugnant, and so it is i still don't judge; but even "Those" that i know cannot question my own credibility on their terms as a "good man".

...are you "Greek", are you "American", or are you a Citizen of the World; you gotta ask yourself.


Whether you believe or not RW, you can’t deny that religion is a huge political instrument to own in order to push one’s agenda.. you admitted it above in your statement.. the West wants to create a new world order, based on its self interest and if it means poisoning kids with sexualized books and destroying women and it’s civilization. Their thinking is if “ God” approves ie the western Protestant churches and Catholic Church, then the task becomes easier.. Russia doesn’t accept the New World Order and it has the church on its side.. Now answer this, could the state of Russia be destroyed and Orthodoxy stay intact.. ? Or do you have to destroy both.. ? Do you think Billy would ever replace Jesus Christ in an Orthodox Christian Bible?


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Before George W invaded Iraq, he said on National TV that God talked to him and told him to invade Iraq.. people believed in George Bush.. and about anal sex producing gays.. it’s not gays it’s cock eyed kids you produce.. ;)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 23, 2023 11:32 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...the so-called Orthodox Church in Russia is a corruption of Faith. Their power is not linked to any Universal Oneness, but to Putin, isolated as they are in the Church itself because "they" are just like him.

Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, and Orthodox know One Way (despite 'our' diversity as believers); that is to be Loving: to serve Lovingly.

...Buddhists, and Atheists may not believe in such a God, but as World Religions they too act accordingly.

Can one believe that the Archbishop in Moscow is worthy of such a position, i am not alone in my asking.

...and while ''Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds'' are a part of America's greatness, to me it only demonstrates how vast our world is and at it's extremes it is almost unknowable.

Five years old i was working, and i'm proud of that; to each his own. In any case my Family raised me right (and i am grateful for it).

...and at 28 did i take the apple from the 16 year old, after-all she had her father's (and her mother's) permission (they were "rich" no less); you don't know half the story, and i am glad to see these same people no longer the same.

...there are many stories i can tell, i dug deep to know, in a time where, where i lived i found young people (even children) in far worse conditions seeking help and who found help finding me.

The vengeful God is not the only image of such greatness, let's not forget. And as it is, Stalin's hatefulness has everything to do with what Ukrainians, from "Russianness", suffer today.

I suppose (Ocean) if you are "Christian" you may find my personal experience quite repugnant, and so it is i still don't judge; but even "Those" that i know cannot question my own credibility on their terms as a "good man".

...are you "Greek", are you "American", or are you a Citizen of the World; you gotta ask yourself.

Hang on a moment RW. Are the Russian Orthodox, that different to the Greek Orthodox church?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Sep 23, 2023 11:39 pm

No, Greek and Russian Orthodox are 99% identical.. RW is eating colored mushrooms, that’s why I don’t understand a damn thing he writes
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:01 am

.”the so-called Orthodox Church in Russia is a corruption of Faith. Their power is not linked to any Universal Oneness, but to Putin, isolated as they are in the Church itself because "they" are just like him.“

RW, the organization may be corrupt but what the church stands for cannot be corrupted.. it’s not like a corrupt pastor in a Protestant church to change the interpretation of a Bible verse to fit his needs.. Or a corrupt pope who interprets the church by saying gay is acceptable,. Orthodoxy has no interpretations it has traditions that have lasted intact for 2000 years.. my point is that since traditions stay the same, a priest saying anal produces gay kids, it doesn’t change the religion…
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:17 am

Oceanside50 wrote:.”the so-called Orthodox Church in Russia is a corruption of Faith. Their power is not linked to any Universal Oneness, but to Putin, isolated as they are in the Church itself because "they" are just like him.“

RW, the organization may be corrupt but what the church stands for cannot be corrupted.. it’s not like a corrupt pastor in a Protestant church to change the interpretation of a Bible verse to fit his needs.. Or a corrupt pope who interprets the church by saying gay is acceptable,. Orthodoxy has no interpretations it has traditions that have lasted intact for 2000 years.. my point is that since traditions stay the same, a priest saying anal produces gay kids, it doesn’t change the religion…

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:58 am

Lordo wrote:
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Oceanside50 wrote:The globalist are hell bent on destruction of the current system.. history cultures, and religions need to change.. their targets are not for the next few years. Their time table is for the next 80 years. Destroy the family structure by first destroying the woman.. from the destruction of women comes the destruction of men.. Kids are being sexualized at younger and younger ages.. Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds.. it’s almost a fashion statement to transition the gender of kids as young as 3 years old.. the west is turning into dust in front of our eyes.. I’ve spoken to nurses, who work on these floors that transition these kids.. she was telling me she is afraid to say anything for fear of losing her job.. she refrains from speaking to her coworkers out of fear that they will snitch on her..I’ve also spoken to a woman whose mother counsels transitioned kids.. I told her that science and psychiatry don’t agree, she responded the kids feelings supersedes science.. the war in Ukraine has nothing to do with what Stalin did 80 years ago.. Protestantism and Catholicism are easily manipulated and adapt to the environment around them.. and i would say in some instances even Islam… the only religion that does not adapt is Christian Orthodoxy. There’s a Protestant church here in the USA that is ok with changing the name of Jesus in the Bible to Billy.. sounds like a joke but it’s not.. the Pope has stated that homosexuality is acceptable.. technology plays a big part in this, and the globalist have used it to their advantage.. the West is being dumbed down to the point that people in the west can be easily controlled…. Social media helps to destroy women, and immaculate men. Women are told that they are the same as men.. regardless if neurology dna and nature tell them differently.. in the minds of Globalist Russia and orthodoxy need to be destroyed..


Ocean, what you wrote above, it has merit!


Zelensky signs law moving Christmas in Ukraine to Dec. 25

by Martin Fornusek and The Kyiv Independent news desk July 28, 2023 6:18 PM

President Volodymyr Zelensky signed a law on July 28 changing the date of the Christmas state holiday in Ukraine from Jan. 7 to Dec. 25 as part of the efforts to "renounce Russian heritage," the president said.

As further changes, the Day of Ukrainian Statehood will be moved from July 28 to July 15, and Oct. 1 will mark the Day of Ukraine's Defenders and the Day of Intercession of the Holy Mother of God instead of Oct. 14.

On July 27, the independent (autocephalous) Orthodox Church of Ukraine adopted the revised Julian calendar, with the change taking effect on Sep. 1. The revised Julian calendar currently coincides with the Gregorian calendar.

This means that the date of religious celebrations of Christmas will move from Jan. 7 to Dec. 25.

Until recently, both the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and Ukrainian Greek Catholics had used only the older version of the Julian calendar, also used by the Russian Orthodox Church.

Roman Catholics use the Gregorian calendar, while the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and most other autocephalous (independent) Orthodox churches use the revised Julian calendar, which currently coincides with the Gregorian calendar.

Previously the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and Ukrainian Greek Catholics had celebrated Christmas only on Jan. 7 - the same day as Russia. Most Orthodox churches and Roman Catholics celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25.

The developments come amid a backlash against the Russian Orthodox Church's Ukrainian branch.

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-si ... 0and%20Oct.
I would suggest you read what Ocean wrote again. t has no relevance to what you posted. All I see is Zalizmenos trying to change a few things to match with the Europeans. There is no attack on Religion as per say. Before you know it, he may go further and change the the alphabet to Latin characters. Ocean is a crackpot. I agree with him that the 10 corporations in America are effectively in control of not just America but the whole western world.
Ataturk did that for the Turks back in 23 and separated religion from the state too. That was the best thing he did but of course madman is trying to undo all of that it by bit.


Yes, I should have made it clearer what point I was trying to make, that at the moment, the Orthodox Church is under attack in Ukraine, forcing the Orthodox Ukrainians to celebrate Christmas on a different date. It would be like celebrating one’s birthdate on a different date. Another cruelty implemented by Nazi praising Zelensky.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:21 am

Humans identifying as dogs in Berlin..

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Sep 24, 2023 5:26 am

...we have discussed this before, and i have quoted the Orthodox Times to support my observations.

The Archbishop of Moscow is just like that Protestant preacher you rail about bought and paid for.

...of course, that's my opinion of Putin and this willing goon putting it bluntly.

While Christmas is a day of celebration, the day of his birth is also a day of solemn reflection for some, its meaning and the date remain disputed. Jan 6, little Christmas if you will, is still the Holiest day of the year; the day the Holy Water is blessed, the day that he was reborn baptised. Indeed, the Ukrainian Church moves closer to the center with this change; the Russian Orthodox Church moving away from the center is seeking supremacy itself.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:33 am

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Oh LR, why do you insist of being a twat with some of your above comments?


Ahh.............. there goes the "civilised". :D Which comments? Do enlighten me, rather than the above generalisation type thing.


Kikapu wrote:Facts are part of history, something which has already happened. If RH gets annoyed for someone not using facts, is because they are not using facts but bending the truth or complete lies to fit their narrative. That is separate from having a conversation with opinions on issues that may have historical connections to facts. Sometimes we make posts based on foresight or intelligent guess. Just because something did not already happened, it does not mean it won’t, or else the conversation will be redundant, as in “stating the obvious” when everything said are only facts!


That's a bit gobbledegook TBH.

RH gets annoyed when people who don't support his narrative express opinions rather than facts. Although, his "facts" include such things as proof that the US blew up the twin towers. I could give you a long, similarly ridiculous, list. But - let's not go there now.

Personally, I have no problem with opinions. I regard them as the essential essence of forum discussion (I know, I know, a bit of a comical concept on this OP). He has absolutely no problem at all with opinions which support his perceptions, including his own. That's called h - y - p - o - c - r - i - s - y - of which - trust me - he is a master.

I'm not sure what my particular "narrative" is. Other than the habit of highlighting what's happened in Ukraine as being a travesty. I shan't repeat the facts about the death, destruction and millions driven from their destroyed homes as apparently it's "whining".

Your proposition that Poland was likely to invade Ukraine was ........................... sorry, can't really find the alternative words- total bollocks. Again, you are simply making it up as you go along. The idea is, frankly, ridiculous.

We seem to be looking at two different wars. I see a virtual stalemate 20 months in to what was supposed to be a short Russian blitzkrieg to take Ukraine. Russian good news right now being how they've triumphantly retreated from this or that village, with the Ukrainian army chasing them in disarray. You seem to feel that - despite all that's happened - it's simply the case that the Russians could take the whole of Ukraine tomorrow, should they be inclined. Seems they have other, more pressing concerns, right now.


Unlike you LR, I am not invited into the war room at the Kremlin to listen into Russia’s war plans in Ukraine on how they are planning in conducting the war. :roll:

I don’t recall anyone in Russia talked about Russia taking over the whole of Ukraine, now or before the war started. Maybe the collective West did knowing that it cannot happen, just to lay the markers down to claim Russia has lost the war from the beginning, unless Russia did take the whole of Ukraine by the West setting the bar high. Russia’s objectives were for Ukraine to implement the Minsk accords and to stop the slaughter of the ethnic Russian speaking Ukrainians in Eastern part of Ukraine. Ukraine refused via the collective West, so now we are where we are and there’s no going back for Russia regardless how long the war lasts. The destruction of Ukraine was orchestrated by the collective West in recent times since 2014. Sooner or later, with the West’s backing, Ukraine would have attacked to regain Crimea back, after it has already become part of proper Russia, just like the 4 regions in Eastern Ukraine have done so now under the International law, which the UN supports of self determination by those living in those regions to the best of my understanding of the UN’s charter on this matter. I know you will correct me if I’m wrong. :wink:

Without Crimea, Zelensky has nothing much more to offer NATO in order for Ukraine to join the alliance. Using the West own guidelines on what is a win and a loss, without anything else, Ukraine and the collective West has lost the war in Ukraine because Crimea is and will remain part of Russia as it should since it is Russian to begin with. This may be hard for Anti Russia people to accept and digest, but that is the new reality. Russia is not in a hurry to stop the war as long as it is going its way. You call is a “stalemate” in Ukraine, but that isn’t really true, because Russia is destroying anything Ukraine/collective West is throwing at them at each stage. Of course, the Russians are too taking heavy loses too, but they are also learning more and more on the weapons being thrown at them so to be able to find solutions against them in the future for the next war and the next, once the Ukraine war is over. In the meantime, Ukraine’s militarily is being destroyed, and yet NATO is not putting their boots on the ground in Ukraine. You would think that since claims by the Collective West that Russia has already lost the war, that NATO would come into the war directly to finish off the Russians once and for all. :wink:

Once the war in Ukraine is done and dusted, or maybe even before, we will see what Poland does with the Western parts of Ukraine. Ukraine as we know it will no longer exist as Russia will go on to take the remaining Black Sea coastal regions of Ukraine. It is the only logical solution for Russia to protect itself from future attacks, and to drive the Ukrainian forces, what’s left of them, further inland towards Western Ukraine. Then again, since you seem to have the monopoly on crystal balls in predicting the future, I will bow to your premonitions in what awaits Russia’s future! :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Sep 24, 2023 11:01 am

As it seems this thread has degenerated into an open discussion ........ :roll:

LondonRake;
RH gets annoyed when people who don't support his narrative express opinions rather than facts.


Fully justified when dealing with mouthpieces that never present facts to support their opinions ..... because they have none. Like you and your pal Paphitis!

Although, his "facts" include such things as proof that the US blew up the twin towers. I could give you a long, similarly ridiculous, list. But - let's not go there now.

Please don’t present your distorted observations of me as facts.

Most people now regard the official explanation of the Twin Towers attack as being a cover up! The two events were only ever investigated up to the point of impact .... so ‘somebody’ does not want the full story out there in the open. I don’t believe we have ever been officially told anything of significance about what happened and my ‘FACTS’ stop there! So you are trying to mislead by telling lies!

Of course, a large percentage of the US population have never heard of WTC7 at all. That has always been my interest in 9/11 events because ........ what we saw was NOT an aircraft impact followed by a collapse ...... it was a fairly minor office fire that had all but burnt out when the whole building symmetrically collapsed, at free fall acceleration, into its own footprint just like WTC1 and WTC2! Well .... what a coincidence! :shock:

Only under pressure was an investigation carried out and then the selected ‘investigator’ declared they had discovered a completely new phenomenon ...... of an office fire causing the collapse of a steel framed high rise building just through the failure of a single joint. He also confirmed the investigation made no attempt to look for explosives .... as they ‘knew’ there weren’t any! :lol:

If what you see defies the Laws of Physics ........ in this case Newton’s three Laws of Motion ..... then somebody is NOT telling the truth!

So, if all you can do is try to pompously denigrate the opinions of other’s although they present their opinions on proven facts ..... at least take the trouble to do a bit of research first ...... start with Newton’s Laws of Motion, you might just learn just how ignorant you are.
Personally, I have no problem with opinions. I regard them as the essential essence of forum discussion (I know, I know, a bit of a comical concept on this OP). He has absolutely no problem at all with opinions which support his perceptions, including his own. That's called h - y - p - o - c - r - i - s - y - of which - trust me - he is a master.

Your ignorance and self opinionated posts makes you the hypocrite, you just can’t see it!

What you see as ‘hypocrisy’ is actually called basing an argument of known facts. Known and authentic facts from any source are normally considered proven beyond question. All that can be questioned is the CIRCUMSTANCIAL evidence that is used to combine the facts into a ‘crime scene’. Investigators have been doing this for years. If at any time there is proof that a fact is not what it seemed to be, then it and many facts from that source will come under question. That is what inevitably happens with all the Kyiv claims about their successes in Eastern Ukraine.

But to destroy a fact you have to have irrefutable evidence ....... opinions from people like you NEVER have the required level of credibility needed to prove your opinion because basically you are averse to facts that don’t suit your ‘perceptions’. Exactly what you accuse me (and others) of ........ but at least I base my opinion on facts.

I explain my opinions through discussion and explanations ...... your method is to attack the originator with insults and lies all based on your opinion.

You maybe will see why I don’t bother to reply to many of your posts ..... as you have nothing to convey but your opinions and nothing to support them.

But this latest shite I could not let pass without a comment. :x
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