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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:05 pm

It is interesting how people can use part of some facts to justify their narative. Apparently Stalin killed 4 million Ukrainians but so did the Nazis and when it comes to Stalin he also killed another 16 million Russians.

So what does Stalin killed 4 millions Ukrainians mean? Bugger all. He would kill his own mother if he thought she was against him. people also forget how did he get there. What happened during the Russian revolution? Did the west not send money and arms to the "White Russians" to fight against the communists? It was the west that set the ball rolling even then for Russian to fight Russian and Ukrainian for that matter. I have no doubt that there were Ukrainians that supported Lenin and Stalin too.

You can't just take part of something and make it out to be more significant that it actually is.

When it comes to killing the Yanks have the upper hand. They killed more than 40 million people, when you count the Native Americans, Vietnamese and the rest of the wars they started and the fuckin dictators they installed in countless countries.

Lets get real people. Se the big picture. Focusing on the wood, you miss the trees.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:28 pm

The globalist are hell bent on destruction of the current system.. history cultures, and religions need to change.. their targets are not for the next few years. Their time table is for the next 80 years. Destroy the family structure by first destroying the woman.. from the destruction of women comes the destruction of men.. Kids are being sexualized at younger and younger ages.. Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds.. it’s almost a fashion statement to transition the gender of kids as young as 3 years old.. the west is turning into dust in front of our eyes.. I’ve spoken to nurses, who work on these floors that transition these kids.. she was telling me she is afraid to say anything for fear of losing her job.. she refrains from speaking to her coworkers out of fear that they will snitch on her..I’ve also spoken to a woman whose mother counsels transitioned kids.. I told her that science and psychiatry don’t agree, she responded the kids feelings supersedes science.. the war in Ukraine has nothing to do with what Stalin did 80 years ago.. Protestantism and Catholicism are easily manipulated and adapt to the environment around them.. and i would say in some instances even Islam… the only religion that does not adapt is Christian Orthodoxy. There’s a Protestant church here in the USA that is ok with changing the name of Jesus in the Bible to Billy.. sounds like a joke but it’s not.. the Pope has stated that homosexuality is acceptable.. technology plays a big part in this, and the globalist have used it to their advantage.. the West is being dumbed down to the point that people in the west can be easily controlled…. Social media helps to destroy women, and immaculate men. Women are told that they are the same as men.. regardless if neurology dna and nature tell them differently.. in the minds of Globalist Russia and orthodoxy need to be destroyed..
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:47 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:The globalist are hell bent on destruction of the current system.. history cultures, and religions need to change.. their targets are not for the next few years. Their time table is for the next 80 years. Destroy the family structure by first destroying the woman.. from the destruction of women comes the destruction of men.. Kids are being sexualized at younger and younger ages.. Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds.. it’s almost a fashion statement to transition the gender of kids as young as 3 years old.. the west is turning into dust in front of our eyes.. I’ve spoken to nurses, who work on these floors that transition these kids.. she was telling me she is afraid to say anything for fear of losing her job.. she refrains from speaking to her coworkers out of fear that they will snitch on her..I’ve also spoken to a woman whose mother counsels transitioned kids.. I told her that science and psychiatry don’t agree, she responded the kids feelings supersedes science.. the war in Ukraine has nothing to do with what Stalin did 80 years ago.. Protestantism and Catholicism are easily manipulated and adapt to the environment around them.. and i would say in some instances even Islam… the only religion that does not adapt is Christian Orthodoxy. There’s a Protestant church here in the USA that is ok with changing the name of Jesus in the Bible to Billy.. sounds like a joke but it’s not.. the Pope has stated that homosexuality is acceptable.. technology plays a big part in this, and the globalist have used it to their advantage.. the West is being dumbed down to the point that people in the west can be easily controlled…. Social media helps to destroy women, and immaculate men. Women are told that they are the same as men.. regardless if neurology dna and nature tell them differently.. in the minds of Globalist Russia and orthodoxy need to be destroyed..

I think you need some therapy.

The 10 corporation in America do not give a shit about anything other than their own interests. You threaten that and you will be killed no matter who you are. Their interests dictate the Russian corporation being competitors must be cut down to size so they serve Corporations interests in the west. That is the only criteria applied here.

It has nothing to do with religion, trans people or what the children watch or even gay people. Money is what matters to them.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:24 pm

Kikapu wrote:Oh LR, why do you insist of being a twat with some of your above comments?


Ahh.............. there goes the "civilised". :D Which comments? Do enlighten me, rather than the above generalisation type thing.


Kikapu wrote:Facts are part of history, something which has already happened. If RH gets annoyed for someone not using facts, is because they are not using facts but bending the truth or complete lies to fit their narrative. That is separate from having a conversation with opinions on issues that may have historical connections to facts. Sometimes we make posts based on foresight or intelligent guess. Just because something did not already happened, it does not mean it won’t, or else the conversation will be redundant, as in “stating the obvious” when everything said are only facts!


That's a bit gobbledegook TBH.

RH gets annoyed when people who don't support his narrative express opinions rather than facts. Although, his "facts" include such things as proof that the US blew up the twin towers. I could give you a long, similarly ridiculous, list. But - let's not go there now.

Personally, I have no problem with opinions. I regard them as the essential essence of forum discussion (I know, I know, a bit of a comical concept on this OP). He has absolutely no problem at all with opinions which support his perceptions, including his own. That's called h - y - p - o - c - r - i - s - y - of which - trust me - he is a master.

I'm not sure what my particular "narrative" is. Other than the habit of highlighting what's happened in Ukraine as being a travesty. I shan't repeat the facts about the death, destruction and millions driven from their destroyed homes as apparently it's "whining".

Your proposition that Poland was likely to invade Ukraine was ........................... sorry, can't really find the alternative words- total bollocks. Again, you are simply making it up as you go along. The idea is, frankly, ridiculous.

We seem to be looking at two different wars. I see a virtual stalemate 20 months in to what was supposed to be a short Russian blitzkrieg to take Ukraine. Russian good news right now being how they've triumphantly retreated from this or that village, with the Ukrainian army chasing them in disarray. You seem to feel that - despite all that's happened - it's simply the case that the Russians could take the whole of Ukraine tomorrow, should they be inclined. Seems they have other, more pressing concerns, right now.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:40 pm

Lordo wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:The globalist are hell bent on destruction of the current system.. history cultures, and religions need to change.. their targets are not for the next few years. Their time table is for the next 80 years. Destroy the family structure by first destroying the woman.. from the destruction of women comes the destruction of men.. Kids are being sexualized at younger and younger ages.. Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds.. it’s almost a fashion statement to transition the gender of kids as young as 3 years old.. the west is turning into dust in front of our eyes.. I’ve spoken to nurses, who work on these floors that transition these kids.. she was telling me she is afraid to say anything for fear of losing her job.. she refrains from speaking to her coworkers out of fear that they will snitch on her..I’ve also spoken to a woman whose mother counsels transitioned kids.. I told her that science and psychiatry don’t agree, she responded the kids feelings supersedes science.. the war in Ukraine has nothing to do with what Stalin did 80 years ago.. Protestantism and Catholicism are easily manipulated and adapt to the environment around them.. and i would say in some instances even Islam… the only religion that does not adapt is Christian Orthodoxy. There’s a Protestant church here in the USA that is ok with changing the name of Jesus in the Bible to Billy.. sounds like a joke but it’s not.. the Pope has stated that homosexuality is acceptable.. technology plays a big part in this, and the globalist have used it to their advantage.. the West is being dumbed down to the point that people in the west can be easily controlled…. Social media helps to destroy women, and immaculate men. Women are told that they are the same as men.. regardless if neurology dna and nature tell them differently.. in the minds of Globalist Russia and orthodoxy need to be destroyed..

I think you need some therapy.

The 10 corporation in America do not give a shit about anything other than their own interests. You threaten that and you will be killed no matter who you are. Their interests dictate the Russian corporation being competitors must be cut down to size so they serve Corporations interests in the west. That is the only criteria applied here.

It has nothing to do with religion, trans people or what the children watch or even gay people. Money is what matters to them.




Russias minerals and natural resources are there for the taking once Russia is destroyed.. the trans movement is projected to grow exponentially in the next decades.. Big pharma is pushing these agendas to kids.. these kids are more or less Guinea pigs for big pharma. Have these kids transition in order that medicines are perfected when the big wave comes in.. So yes this is about money for the big corporations.. and yes it is about big corporate profits.. all the radical left politicians have big pharma as their donors… even Biden has stated that it’s a sin against God not to allow kids to transition… a very sick world these people are projecting… Even in Cyprus I’m hearing that sexually explicit books are being shown in school.. and they say it’s a EU mandate.. this is the beginning.. we’ve had that shit here for ten years
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:50 pm

You are right about he Russian resources and how the west want to get their hands on them but you are allowing your own prejudices to confuse the issue. Sexual preferences of anybody is not involved. The corporations do very well using the media to control the populations, and in fact trans and gay communities suffer even more in their hands.

You remind me of this fellow.

THE MOST REVEREND METROPOLITAN NEOPHYTOS (MASOURAS) OF MORFOU OF THE CHURCH OF CYPRUS, arguing in a YouTube video - translated by LGBTQ Cypriot group Accept - that women who enjoy anal sex while pregnant give birth to gay children.

"If that happens, the feeling of pleasure the woman feels is transmitted to the unborn child," he said.



https://www.in.gr/2019/07/26/greece/mitropolitis-oi-gay-genniountai-apo-ton-proktiko-erota-straight-zeygariou/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:10 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:The globalist are hell bent on destruction of the current system.. history cultures, and religions need to change.. their targets are not for the next few years. Their time table is for the next 80 years. Destroy the family structure by first destroying the woman.. from the destruction of women comes the destruction of men.. Kids are being sexualized at younger and younger ages.. Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds.. it’s almost a fashion statement to transition the gender of kids as young as 3 years old.. the west is turning into dust in front of our eyes.. I’ve spoken to nurses, who work on these floors that transition these kids.. she was telling me she is afraid to say anything for fear of losing her job.. she refrains from speaking to her coworkers out of fear that they will snitch on her..I’ve also spoken to a woman whose mother counsels transitioned kids.. I told her that science and psychiatry don’t agree, she responded the kids feelings supersedes science.. the war in Ukraine has nothing to do with what Stalin did 80 years ago.. Protestantism and Catholicism are easily manipulated and adapt to the environment around them.. and i would say in some instances even Islam… the only religion that does not adapt is Christian Orthodoxy. There’s a Protestant church here in the USA that is ok with changing the name of Jesus in the Bible to Billy.. sounds like a joke but it’s not.. the Pope has stated that homosexuality is acceptable.. technology plays a big part in this, and the globalist have used it to their advantage.. the West is being dumbed down to the point that people in the west can be easily controlled…. Social media helps to destroy women, and immaculate men. Women are told that they are the same as men.. regardless if neurology dna and nature tell them differently.. in the minds of Globalist Russia and orthodoxy need to be destroyed..


Ocean, what you wrote above, it has merit!


Zelensky signs law moving Christmas in Ukraine to Dec. 25

by Martin Fornusek and The Kyiv Independent news desk July 28, 2023 6:18 PM

President Volodymyr Zelensky signed a law on July 28 changing the date of the Christmas state holiday in Ukraine from Jan. 7 to Dec. 25 as part of the efforts to "renounce Russian heritage," the president said.

As further changes, the Day of Ukrainian Statehood will be moved from July 28 to July 15, and Oct. 1 will mark the Day of Ukraine's Defenders and the Day of Intercession of the Holy Mother of God instead of Oct. 14.

On July 27, the independent (autocephalous) Orthodox Church of Ukraine adopted the revised Julian calendar, with the change taking effect on Sep. 1. The revised Julian calendar currently coincides with the Gregorian calendar.

This means that the date of religious celebrations of Christmas will move from Jan. 7 to Dec. 25.

Until recently, both the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and Ukrainian Greek Catholics had used only the older version of the Julian calendar, also used by the Russian Orthodox Church.

Roman Catholics use the Gregorian calendar, while the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and most other autocephalous (independent) Orthodox churches use the revised Julian calendar, which currently coincides with the Gregorian calendar.

Previously the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and Ukrainian Greek Catholics had celebrated Christmas only on Jan. 7 - the same day as Russia. Most Orthodox churches and Roman Catholics celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25.

The developments come amid a backlash against the Russian Orthodox Church's Ukrainian branch.

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-si ... 0and%20Oct.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:30 pm

...some History.



It is always good to refresh ourselves and our memories in times like these with so much change ahead...

...indeed this war in the Ukraine is important to Turkey, (and with their "Brothers" in Azerbaijan) because once the "Russians" are contained, 'we' are next.

(And given "Turkishness'" war on the Kurds, Turkey's forever war is 'our' greatest threat).

...indeed this war is important because if 'we' tire "They" win, and "winning" means 'us' no more.

...the Problem is the problem; (let's be clear).

(You can blame Americans at your/"Your" peril: but "This" must stop.)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:07 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:The globalist are hell bent on destruction of the current system.. history cultures, and religions need to change.. their targets are not for the next few years. Their time table is for the next 80 years. Destroy the family structure by first destroying the woman.. from the destruction of women comes the destruction of men.. Kids are being sexualized at younger and younger ages.. Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds.. it’s almost a fashion statement to transition the gender of kids as young as 3 years old.. the west is turning into dust in front of our eyes.. I’ve spoken to nurses, who work on these floors that transition these kids.. she was telling me she is afraid to say anything for fear of losing her job.. she refrains from speaking to her coworkers out of fear that they will snitch on her..I’ve also spoken to a woman whose mother counsels transitioned kids.. I told her that science and psychiatry don’t agree, she responded the kids feelings supersedes science.. the war in Ukraine has nothing to do with what Stalin did 80 years ago.. Protestantism and Catholicism are easily manipulated and adapt to the environment around them.. and i would say in some instances even Islam… the only religion that does not adapt is Christian Orthodoxy. There’s a Protestant church here in the USA that is ok with changing the name of Jesus in the Bible to Billy.. sounds like a joke but it’s not.. the Pope has stated that homosexuality is acceptable.. technology plays a big part in this, and the globalist have used it to their advantage.. the West is being dumbed down to the point that people in the west can be easily controlled…. Social media helps to destroy women, and immaculate men. Women are told that they are the same as men.. regardless if neurology dna and nature tell them differently.. in the minds of Globalist Russia and orthodoxy need to be destroyed..


Ocean, what you wrote above, it has merit!


Zelensky signs law moving Christmas in Ukraine to Dec. 25

by Martin Fornusek and The Kyiv Independent news desk July 28, 2023 6:18 PM

President Volodymyr Zelensky signed a law on July 28 changing the date of the Christmas state holiday in Ukraine from Jan. 7 to Dec. 25 as part of the efforts to "renounce Russian heritage," the president said.

As further changes, the Day of Ukrainian Statehood will be moved from July 28 to July 15, and Oct. 1 will mark the Day of Ukraine's Defenders and the Day of Intercession of the Holy Mother of God instead of Oct. 14.

On July 27, the independent (autocephalous) Orthodox Church of Ukraine adopted the revised Julian calendar, with the change taking effect on Sep. 1. The revised Julian calendar currently coincides with the Gregorian calendar.

This means that the date of religious celebrations of Christmas will move from Jan. 7 to Dec. 25.

Until recently, both the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and Ukrainian Greek Catholics had used only the older version of the Julian calendar, also used by the Russian Orthodox Church.

Roman Catholics use the Gregorian calendar, while the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and most other autocephalous (independent) Orthodox churches use the revised Julian calendar, which currently coincides with the Gregorian calendar.

Previously the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and Ukrainian Greek Catholics had celebrated Christmas only on Jan. 7 - the same day as Russia. Most Orthodox churches and Roman Catholics celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25.

The developments come amid a backlash against the Russian Orthodox Church's Ukrainian branch.

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-si ... 0and%20Oct.
I would suggest you read what Ocean wrote again. t has no relevance to what you posted. All I see is Zalizmenos trying to change a few things to match with the Europeans. There is no attack on Religion as per say. Before you know it, he may go further and change the the alphabet to Latin characters. Ocean is a crackpot. I agree with him that the 10 corporations in America are effectively in control of not just America but the whole western world.
Ataturk did that for the Turks back in 23 and separated religion from the state too. That was the best thing he did but of course madman is trying to undo all of that it by bit.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:33 pm

...the so-called Orthodox Church in Russia is a corruption of Faith. Their power is not linked to any Universal Oneness, but to Putin, isolated as they are in the Church itself because "they" are just like him.

Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, and Orthodox know One Way (despite 'our' diversity as believers); that is to be Loving: to serve Lovingly.

...Buddhists, and Atheists may not believe in such a God, but as World Religions they too act accordingly.

Can one believe that the Archbishop in Moscow is worthy of such a position, i am not alone in my asking.

...and while ''Trans shows are conducted in front of 5 year olds'' are a part of America's greatness, to me it only demonstrates how vast our world is and at it's extremes it is almost unknowable.

Five years old i was working, and i'm proud of that; to each his own. In any case my Family raised me right (and i am grateful for it).

...and at 28 did i take the apple from the 16 year old, after-all she had her father's (and her mother's) permission (they were "rich" no less); you don't know half the story, and i am glad to see these same people no longer the same.

...there are many stories i can tell, i dug deep to know, in a time where, where i lived i found young people (even children) in far worse conditions seeking help and who found help finding me.

The vengeful God is not the only image of such greatness, let's not forget. And as it is, Stalin's hatefulness has everything to do with what Ukrainians, from "Russianness", suffer today.

I suppose (Ocean) if you are "Christian" you may find my personal experience quite repugnant, and so it is i still don't judge; but even "Those" that i know cannot question my own credibility on their terms as a "good man".

...are you "Greek", are you "American", or are you a Citizen of the World; you gotta ask yourself.
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