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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:56 pm

Kikapu wrote:Putin laid down the condition where there would be peace in Ukraine. Did he expect the collective West to accept it as they have accepted Zelensky’s bullshit proposals for peace? No, Putin did not expect his proposal to be accepted since it was not meant to be accepted despite conditions on the ground, but it has given Putin a talking point to the West’s hypocrisy that they are willing to accept a losing sides ridiculous proposals and dismiss the winning sides proposals no matter how unpalatable it may be for the collective West and Zelensky.

So, this makes it the 4th peace proposal by Russia starting before 2014 against Ukraine’s 1st. Since 2014, a lot of Ukrainian land has been annexed by Russia through war and referendums. Now Russia will push to take the rest of Ukraine’s Black Sea coastline, including Odessa, to complete their mission, then blame the collective West of lost opportunity to keep Odessa Ukrainian. Without any Black Sea coastline for Ukraine, Ukraine as a potential NATO member has no strategic military value for the collective West against Russia, despite the trillions of dollars of mineral deposits in Ukraine which the cunt-face Lindsey Graham talked about few days ago.

If I’m not mistaken, some of those trillions of Dollars of mineral deposits are already in the Russian controlled areas of Ukraine, and as the war continues, trillions of dollars of more mineral deposits will become part of Russia. All a while, the collective West is trying to collect pennies on the dollar interest money from frozen assets of Russia’s 300 billion dollars by the collective West in order to give it back to Ukraine as a compensation, so they say!

By all indications, Zelensky and Ukraine are getting screwed more by their so called collective West Alles than they have been by the one time, Russian brothers. At least the Russians were willing to allow Ukraine to be free and neutral with the Minsk agreements and in 2022 after the war began. Now, there’s no saving of Zelensky or Ukraine by their so called “allies” in the collective West.

America does not like any country that does not serve her interests and Ukraine staying neutral whilst would have served both Russian and Ukrainian interests, it goes against American interests as they cannot suck the wealth out of Ukraine. At least this way they managed to sell a lot of arms to Ukraine and elsewhere in the world despite the fact that American government pays for it, the American Arms industry is the winner here. I have no doubt most of the arms are not aid but trade on loan and one way or another the Americans will get their money back. Every which way they win.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:01 pm

Which fuckin does this cunt live in? I guess he has full backing of the west right up till the point Ukraine is completely destroyed.

Peace talks tomorrow if Russia leaves Ukraine - Zelensky


Perhaps he can explain what will be on the agenda and more importantly who will attend.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxrr1kyp04eo
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:16 am

This is funny stuff to read, well, at least to some of us! :wink: :D :lol:


16 Jun, 2024 12:29
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Ukraine ‘peace summit’ is ‘Animal Farm’ – ex-Russian president

The Western-dominated event in Switzerland is “pure surrealism,” Dmitry Medvedev has said

The Swiss-hosted Ukraine ‘peace conference’ has turned out to be an erratic and dysfunctional event whose participants have no clue what they are doing there, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said.

The June 15-16 conference at the Burgenstock Hotel near Lake Lucerne has focused on three points of Vladimir Zelensky’s ‘peace formula’, including prisoner exchanges, nuclear and food security. The plan calls for Russia to withdraw from all territories claimed by Kiev, but it has been dismissed by Moscow as divorced from reality.

Russia was not invited to the event, which President Vladimir Putin has argued is simply an attempt by the West to create the illusion of a global anti-Russian coalition and distract attention from the root causes of the conflict.

Writing on Telegram on Sunday, Medvedev, who is currently the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, compared the summit to George Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’. The novel, which is considered to be a veiled reference to the Stalin-era Soviet Union, reflects on how ideals of equality and freedom can become distorted and betrayed after a ruthless leader takes over.

The ex-Russian president said the Swiss event is “pure surrealism” and that “none of the participants in the ‘peace forum’ know what they are doing there and what their role is.”

He went on to say that the Swiss “shepherd boys” invited only “trustworthy animals,” including a “crazy puny swine” and his sidekick, as well as “a flock of slow-witted Western Alpine sheep blithely bleating about peace, as well as a pack of European chained dogs to guard the livestock.” Medvedev did not specify who these remarks were directed at.

According to the former president, the ‘dogs’ are “barking and spitting poisonous saliva” to maintain order, which he said is warranted since the “sheep often bleat out of place and confuse the memorized statements.” :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

https://www.rt.com/russia/599377-ukrain ... -medvedev/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:16 pm

BoZo accused Farage of being Putin's propagandist and yet this is what he said about 2014 and was accused of the same thing himself. Either he cannot remember what he said or he is a liar.
Boris Johnson blamed EU for Russia’s 2014 attacks on Ukraine and was branded ‘Putin apologist’

Clearly Russia had no intention of allowing the port in Crimea to fall into the hands of EU and the Americans.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-ukraine-russia-brexit-b2024817.html

And here he is today attacking Farage.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/boris-johnson-blasts-nigel-farage-for-repugnant-claims-on-ukraine/ar-BB1oKyIR?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=258dca6819d24626a72477abbb807f30&ei=13
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:05 pm

Interesting turn of events.

“WE ARE NO LONGER AT PEACE”
A chilling and alarming statement. Sergei Lavrov summoned U.S. Ambassador Lynne Tracy to the Russian Foreign Ministry and delivered a stinging demarche in response to the use of U.S. supplied cluster munitions in the attack on Russian civilians sunbathing on the shores of the Black Sea. Press reports offer this summary of the Russian position:
Washington “has effectively become a party” to the war on Ukraine’s side, the ministry said in a statement, adding, “Retaliatory measures will certainly follow.” It did not elaborate.
The Russia message included this phrase, "We are no longer at peace." While stopping short of declaring war, the line between peace and war has been erased. This should scare the hell out of the politicians and public in America.
In publicizing this message, Putin and Lavrov have closed down diplomatic options and gestures.
Neither Putin nor Lavrov are known for speaking idle words or making empty threats. While Russia is not going to act impetuously this public declaration, in my opinion, has created an expectation within Russia of future action that will entail something more than just giving weapons to a foreign group - such as the Yemeni Ansar Allah or Hezbollah - that is facing off with the United States.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:49 pm

...news about ''oil''.



...and Libya, watch for Turkey; what they will do (for the '''brotherhood'').
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:06 pm

Lest face it RW, all the sanctions on Russia has made no difference to Russia but it has made Western corporations considerably richer and the population considerably poorer.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:56 pm

...don't be so sure. If the "war" is on Putin, sanctions are like the Cold War but in fast forward. It will take years regardless but his "Russia" will fall just like the Soviet Union, exhausted.

..."power" is fleeting as we see from this wannabe. And while this one ends as any other with death, his is no better having become so rich; the population considerably poorer, as you say.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:14 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...don't be so sure. If the "war" is on Putin, sanctions are like the Cold War but in fast forward. It will take years regardless but his "Russia" will fall just like the Soviet Union, exhausted.

..."power" is fleeting as we see from this wannabe. And while this one ends as any other with death, his is no better having become so rich; the population considerably poorer, as you say.


Cold war is over. Not even America has that kind of muscle any more. In the meantime the Russian economy is doing very well dealing with countries outside of Europe. The people in Russia were very poor before this war. When Soviet system collapsed the wealth was distributed amongst friends very nicely. They reach the capitalists system in matter of just a few years.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:50 am

...about the children's hospital.

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