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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun May 08, 2022 6:56 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Btw did you notice the sudden disappearance of both Milti and GR?
Anything to do with the "legal of course" or "not so legal" theme? :wink: :shock:


Perhaps they had challenged each other to a Duel and that they were both a crack shot. :wink:

They will both be missed! :)

It depends on the choice of weapons. I can imagine them with Milti pan in each hand and GR with a keyboard in each hand and so forth..............
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun May 08, 2022 7:01 pm

Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Btw did you notice the sudden disappearance of both Milti and GR?
Anything to do with the "legal of course" or "not so legal" theme? :wink: :shock:


Perhaps they had challenged each other to a Duel and that they were both a crack shot. :wink:

They will both be missed! :)

It depends on the choice of weapons. I can imagine them with Milti pan in each hand and GR with a keyboard in each hand and so forth..............


Pan?? Nonsense. It would have been at least a bottle of 1989 Jordan Cabernet Sauvignon. You obviously didn't know the man. :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun May 08, 2022 7:02 pm

Londonrake wrote:I'm waiting for Pyrpro to come in and show us the - ink not dry from the St Petersburg I.R.A. - "proof" the estimated 60 dead in the Luhansk school bombing was something actually carried out by Azov Nazis. You know, to make the Russian air force look bad. Spoiling their image of being humanitarian bombers in Ukraine, sorta thing.

The Americans have shown us how 10% of the smart bombs they used missed their target. They dropped more than 320,000 bombs since 2000 so you can calculate how many hit the wrong target. That's a lot of bombs.

Nobody can claim Russia cannot do such a thing especially accidently. But of course there is also the possibility that the Ukrainians used the school building to fire at the Russians and they got bombed.

Time will tell what is going on there.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun May 08, 2022 7:16 pm

There's always the unstated assumption on this forum that not expressing blanket condemnation of the US infers some sort of blank cheque approval. We could call it leftist clap-trap perhaps?

The majority, possibly vastly so wouldn't be an exaggeration, of your anti-USA posts on this Russian invasion of Ukraine thread Lordo go beyond obsessive and I'd suggest are in the fanatically so domain.

Ukrainian's - in pretty large numbers - however you choose to express them - are being killed by Russian artillery, rockets and bombs daily. Not American. The largest conflict in Europe since 1945 is going on.

This is Putin's war. One that was totally avoidable and which I fondly hope will ultimately bring about the end of his 22 years fascist (how else would you define the man?) totalitarian rule over Russia.

God help us all regarding the way that might come about.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun May 08, 2022 7:25 pm

Lordo.

You posted a short opinion about Stalin's 1930s politically dogmatic, cold blooded murder of millions of Ukranians. In response, I just gave a link to a history site which detailed it - without adding any comment.

Sorry, but WTF has all the other stuff you posted got to do with it or indeed me? Apart from grandstanding on your part that is. :roll:



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Lordo wrote:I seem to remember from my history lesson that the reason why Stalin started exiling the Gulags was because they refused the collectivisation plans of the government. Is that not so. Of course he then went crazy and sent there anybody he suspected of being against him.


https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

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Friend I am glad you brought this up. But you keep brining up things out of context. You need to back your claims with facts.

Now that time Russia was in turmoil but why? You can bet your bottom dollar the west was behind it.

While Joseph Stalin was the head of the USSR, a real war was waged against the USSR, and not only in the literal sense of the word, but primarily an economic war. And the category of sanctions in this case is the mildest.

In fact, it was more of an economic blockade, when many countries not only refused to cooperate with the USSR but also punished those who cooperated, contrary to the norms and rules of that time.


You see the parallels of today? Ironically even then the Ukrainians as well as the rest of Russia suffered, children staved to death but did the west care?

https://workers.today/how-stalin-responded-to-sanctions-against-the-ussr/

And of course one must ask ones self, without Stalin as bad as he was, could the West defeated the Nazis?

10 division against the West and 150 divisions against Russia is what the Nazis deployed.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun May 08, 2022 7:46 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:I would call it consistency.
2% over a population of 40 million is 800,000 in case you didn't know.
Enough for everybody in Donbas to talk about the Azov criminals.


That's 2% of the electorate, not population. And votes, not guns. Duhhhh! :eyecrazy: The claim the far right have some sort of significant say politically in Ukraine is absurd. Mustn't let that interfere with the propaganda effort though - ehh? (Baaaaa!). In fact there are vastly far more Nazi orientated politicals in Germany than Ukraine. The AFD for starters. Austria's even worse.

The Azov battalion that so much is made of actually has about 1000 members and is part of the National Guard. To put that into perspective, the total Ukrainian Armed Forces are about 250,000 strong.

The de-Nazification stuff is all a load of bollocks. A justification for the war meant to appeal to the wider Russian population's perceptions of their greatest moment. Victory over Nazi Germany. 77 years ago tomorrow of course.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun May 08, 2022 8:22 pm

Londonrake wrote:Lordo.

You posted a short opinion about Stalin's 1930s politically dogmatic, cold blooded murder of millions of Ukranians. In response, I just gave a link to a history site which detailed it - without adding any comment.

Sorry, but WTF has all the other stuff you posted got to do with it or indeed me? Apart from grandstanding on your part that is. :roll:



Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:I seem to remember from my history lesson that the reason why Stalin started exiling the Gulags was because they refused the collectivisation plans of the government. Is that not so. Of course he then went crazy and sent there anybody he suspected of being against him.


https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

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Friend I am glad you brought this up. But you keep brining up things out of context. You need to back your claims with facts.

Now that time Russia was in turmoil but why? You can bet your bottom dollar the west was behind it.

While Joseph Stalin was the head of the USSR, a real war was waged against the USSR, and not only in the literal sense of the word, but primarily an economic war. And the category of sanctions in this case is the mildest.

In fact, it was more of an economic blockade, when many countries not only refused to cooperate with the USSR but also punished those who cooperated, contrary to the norms and rules of that time.


You see the parallels of today? Ironically even then the Ukrainians as well as the rest of Russia suffered, children staved to death but did the west care?

https://workers.today/how-stalin-responded-to-sanctions-against-the-ussr/

And of course one must ask ones self, without Stalin as bad as he was, could the West defeated the Nazis?

10 division against the West and 150 divisions against Russia is what the Nazis deployed.

Indeed you do have a habit of posting things out of context.

So presumably you think that the sanctions on Russia by the west and everybody else that the west had a hold on at the time had nothing to do with what happened in Russia at that time.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun May 08, 2022 8:26 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Btw did you notice the sudden disappearance of both Milti and GR?
Anything to do with the "legal of course" or "not so legal" theme? :wink: :shock:


Perhaps they had challenged each other to a Duel and that they were both a crack shot. :wink:

They will both be missed! :)

It depends on the choice of weapons. I can imagine them with Milti pan in each hand and GR with a keyboard in each hand and so forth..............


Pan?? Nonsense. It would have been at least a bottle of 1989 Jordan Cabernet Sauvignon. You obviously didn't know the man. :roll:

I guess so long as the bottle is empty it is a distinct possibility.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun May 08, 2022 8:46 pm

Londonrake wrote:There's always the unstated assumption on this forum that not expressing blanket condemnation of the US infers some sort of blank cheque approval. We could call it leftist clap-trap perhaps?

The majority, possibly vastly so wouldn't be an exaggeration, of your anti-USA posts on this Russian invasion of Ukraine thread Lordo go beyond obsessive and I'd suggest are in the fanatically so domain.

Ukrainian's - in pretty large numbers - however you choose to express them - are being killed by Russian artillery, rockets and bombs daily. Not American. The largest conflict in Europe since 1945 is going on.

This is Putin's war. One that was totally avoidable and which I fondly hope will ultimately bring about the end of his 22 years fascist (how else would you define the man?) totalitarian rule over Russia.

God help us all regarding the way that might come about.

Not at all. You are talking about starvation in Russia but ignore all aspects of it that may have caused it. Especially sanctions for decades. This is not about what America was doing elsewhere, this is what the fuckers were doing to the Soviets at the same time. Your analysis is just not thorough. Just like your thinking on Ukraine war. Russia attacked so Russia is guilty. That thought has the maturity of a 2 year old if I may say so.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun May 08, 2022 8:48 pm

Londonrake wrote:I'm waiting for Pyrpro to come in and show us the - ink not dry from the St Petersburg I.R.A. - "proof" the estimated 60 dead in the Luhansk school bombing was something actually carried out by Azov Nazis. You know, to make the Russian air force look bad. Spoiling their image of being humanitarian bombers in Ukraine, sorta thing.


As soon as I find live testimonies as to how many tanks, canons, rocket launchers etc those cowards placed in the back yard of the school I will post them here.
Would you then admit you are a victim of distorted news??



















No way Jose....
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