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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:13 am

Actually my Grandmother's ID was given under Btirish Rule and she was specifed as British Subject and Nationality was Turkmoslem, and by the time early seventies came along when I got my ID my Nationality was "Citizen of the Republic" and race was "Turk". This was Makarios at his best.

My ancestors were in the region even before the Greek invasion never mind the Ottomans.

Now anybody who feels they are Greek or Turk bugger off out of Cyprus. You don't belong baby.


Very nice.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:49 am

Lordo wrote:Actually my Grandmother's ID was given under Btirish Rule and she was specifed as British Subject and Nationality was Turkmoslem, and by the time early seventies came along when I got my ID my Nationality was "Citizen of the Republic" and race was "Turk". This was Makarios at his best.

My ancestors were in the region even before the Greek invasion never mind the Ottomans.

Now anybody who feels they are Greek or Turk bugger off out of Cyprus. You don't belong baby.


Very nice.


You probably don't remember well. There was never "race" in the bilingual RoC ID cards. Other than name, surname parents name, date of birth, and address there was "ιθαγενειa" in Greek~Nationality (in English)-->and tabiiyet (in Turkish) and it should simply read "Cypriot", unless you were born in Turkey or some other country. My old ID was issued in 1973 just like yours and I still have it.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:06 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Lots of postmortem sophistries here. May I remind you that the Greek Cypriots were under foreign rule for millennia. The natural desire was to get liberated, and we wouldn't get liberated from the British by organizing KEO beer parties with them.

Ideally the struggle for liberation should be done together with the Turkish Cypriots, and shouldn't be a struggle for liberation + Enosis but for liberation only. That proved impossible firstly because the TCs were used by the British in a divide and rule fashion, secondly because of our Enosis dream. Regardless we ended up to the 1960 agreements. That was the point we should be wiser by embracing the TCs and trying to build a common future. It would still be difficult considering the constitutional problems but we would be there within 10-15 years.

Historically there is not even one liberated nation that did not go through mayhem for the next 50 years. Besides, we in Cyprus, were always full of "geniuses".


I disagree! We should have had a much friendlier stance towards the British, not start some kind of stupid war against them.

They, in turn would have granted us some freedom and independence as soon as it didn’t affect their interests and they got there bases on the island. Not just that, we should have given the US a base as soon as they asked for it.

We just thought we had to fight for our independence but at the time all our politicians and people were delusional and thought Greece will come to Cyprus aid.

Cyprus did everything wrong unfortunately.

And not only that, but there would have been nothing at all wrong if the RoC had a similar status as Australia, Canada, and NZ. Maybe then Cyprus would be a protectorate, with some power behind it. But at the time Cypriots had no idea what they could potentially have. I kind of agree with Get Real. The UK was definitely the pick between the 3.

Historically, there was no part of the British Empire that needed to fight for independence. Only India,
almost 100 years ago, and before that it was the USA and Cyprus which was completely stupid and unnecessary.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:22 am

Get Real! wrote:Here it is in black & white…

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalIn ... dence.aspx

In Africa no less than 17 countries attained independence overnight!

Not a single one of these countries needed to shed any blood over this… it became their right to be independent…

https://www.africanexponent.com/post/84 ... dependence

Yet Cypriots to this day, talk about “winning” their independence through struggle!

What a load of fucking bullshit! :?

Cyprus already had their independence lined up in accordance with international law yet that 5ft little stump of a man with the IQ of challenged baboon (Grivas) came to Cyprus illegally on some shitty little boat to commence the “struggle”!

They should’ve beaten the living daylights out of that little peasant-shit the moment he landed on the Paphian shore.


As you say, the reality is that the so called “struggle” was pointless.

You just have to look at Malta. Like Cyprus they were a part of the British Empire and they got their independence without a single shot fired.

All we accomplished is making an enemy of the UK, and others.

Today, there are 11 million Chinese in Hong Kong that would beg to be a part of the UK. Go figure!

That’s an indication that as an Empire, the Brits were not particularly iron fisted or heavy against subject countries generally speaking apart from one or two exceptions like India for instance.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:55 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
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Pyrpolizer wrote:Lots of postmortem sophistries here. May I remind you that the Greek Cypriots were under foreign rule for millennia. The natural desire was to get liberated, and we wouldn't get liberated from the British by organizing KEO beer parties with them.

Ideally the struggle for liberation should be done together with the Turkish Cypriots, and shouldn't be a struggle for liberation + Enosis but for liberation only. That proved impossible firstly because the TCs were used by the British in a divide and rule fashion, secondly because of our Enosis dream. Regardless we ended up to the 1960 agreements. That was the point we should be wiser by embracing the TCs and trying to build a common future. It would still be difficult considering the constitutional problems but we would be there within 10-15 years.

Historically there is not even one liberated nation that did not go through mayhem for the next 50 years. Besides, we in Cyprus, were always full of "geniuses".

There was no need for a liberation struggle for the 1960 independence of all colonies worldwide was fast approaching, as voted by the UN.

EOKA, was utterly pointless, stupid and the beginning of our end.

Time and time again… when you rely on the “wisdom” of Greece you end up with a huge cucumber up the arse!


So in your opinion by 1955 we should transform to fortune tellers predicting that in December 1960 the UN would vote for abolishing colonial rule. Especially after the British broke all their promises after thousands of Cypriots lost their lives fighting by their side at Suez. Do you remember Harding's "NEVER" reply?
In any case we got our independence in August 1960, 4 months before the UN resolution. Notice that the British did not really abandon their colonies at once. They still kept some upto 20 years later!
It's certain that without Eoka we would be a colony for a long long time after 1960.

But let's suppose there was no armed struggle, no resistance and no pressure whatsoever, and the British would one day decide to give us our independence. What makes you think they would not impose on us the Macmillan plan as their only "sensible" plan for their departure? That's what they insisted of doing in 1958 as you may or may not know. In case you didn't know, the Macmillan plan was all about partitioning the island. The fact that Makarios had the power to reject it, on exchange of independence in which there would be neither partition nor Enosis, was precisely because of Eoka and nothing else.


We should have kept quiet throughout the 50s and 60s and stayed with what we had. Being under British rule even until 1980 or 1990 even is much preferable to the mayhem that occurred in the 50s, 60s and 70s. There would have been a point in time that would eventually arrive where British rule in Cyprus would become unnecessary. Whether you say that point is 1980 or 1990 isn’t really a big deal. The British would eventually leave with only 2 small little remnant SBAs.

If only there was a reset button.

We thought we new it all back then when in reality we knew stuff all and it all ended in tears for Cyprus.

And secondly, we didn’t win our independence. We just say that because it makes us feel better. The Brits could have easily pulverised us if they wanted to. They just chose not to because they were much smarter than us as they understood they didn’t really need the island. All they needed was 2 bases which they got. Reality is, they were the victors because they met their core objectives, and we ended up with the cucumber.

And then after independence we actually thought we could play the big boys. We played politics with non alignment and with Warsaw Pact countries. America asked for a base, and we thought we could deny the request.

Then we got an even bigger cucumber.

It is very clear to me that our ancestors didn’t know what they wanted or how to get it. They thought we could do an 1821 but the reality was different. They wanted ENOSIS when we could have been viably independent.

We messed everything up big time.

So British Rule, with the power of hindsight, was the better option in my opinion.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:01 am

Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote:So if there is no GCs bugger off to Greece idiot.


Would you say that to an Irishman if he told you that?

Why does a GC have to bugger off to Greece while the TC's move the Turks in to Cyprus?

You facist...

Because you see yourself as Greek you stupid cunt. TCs are not moving Turks into Cyprus, Erdogan is and you are fuckin helping him.

Now bugger off to where you belong.


You stupid can't, read the constitution of 1960

Article 2, points 1 and 2 refers to the greek community and of greek origin and the Turkish community and of Turkish origin.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Your leaders have portraits of attaturk on their walls and tartar proudly call himself a Turk.

You are a fascist flick head. One of these low iq "geniuses" that created this mess. Can'ts like you ruined it for the younger generation.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:43 am

Now is as good a time as any to correct the error of our ways. Hope is needed, in Turkey, like in Cyprus, and in countries like the Ukraine, as well; it is a question of Identity, and a much larger usurper who is bent on plunder for their success. Cypriots in particular though, can demonstrate their power, overcoming these divisions of mythic hatred simply by demonstrating beyond Persons, as a "National" identity, that as Individuals, the value of Humanity's Universal Principles are greater.

...is it hard to imagine Cypriots as Cypriots, Turkish and Greek, under the Flag of Cyprus demonstrating peacefully on the beaches/in the streets?

I don't think so. In my mind it is more possible here, than anywhere else; such an act, an enosis but with a Cypriot definition, after the decades, seems expected to me. What would be more inspiring to other torn by the same Problem, if those not "Greek" and those not "Turkish", but Greek and Turkish, (the other half as number tell) in Cyprus demonstrated as one People for Freedom, in effect their Freedom; to "be" Cypriot?

Seriously, stop and think about that.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:24 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:So in your opinion by 1955 we should transform to fortune tellers predicting that in December 1960 the UN would vote for abolishing colonial rule.

A UN resolution of such magnitude doesn’t get put before the GA overnight!

It may be years in the making (multiple drafts) before the final version is to be voted on, so there’s no way you couldn’t have heard about it even 5 years prior, for colonial reform was the talk of the day since the early 50s.

The world was changing and the only ones fast asleep were Greece and Cyprus, it seems!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:30 am

Any war action against Ukraine by Russia, will be a negative action for Turkey and a positive action for Greece/Cyprus. Turkey’s balancing act on the high wire between Russia and the west is going to be a very difficult one. For Turkey, both sides of the stick is going to be shitty, especially in Syria and Libya, not to mention her economy whichever horse she backs here. This may decide once and for all whether Turkey belongs in the west or not.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:43 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:Actually my Grandmother's ID was given under Btirish Rule and she was specifed as British Subject and Nationality was Turkmoslem, and by the time early seventies came along when I got my ID my Nationality was "Citizen of the Republic" and race was "Turk". This was Makarios at his best.

My ancestors were in the region even before the Greek invasion never mind the Ottomans.

Now anybody who feels they are Greek or Turk bugger off out of Cyprus. You don't belong baby.


Very nice.


You probably don't remember well. There was never "race" in the bilingual RoC ID cards. Other than name, surname parents name, date of birth, and address there was "ιθαγενειa" in Greek~Nationality (in English)-->and tabiiyet (in Turkish) and it should simply read "Cypriot", unless you were born in Turkey or some other country. My old ID was issued in 1973 just like yours and I still have it.


Interesting you should say that because my memory is failing so I could not possibly tell you what was on the ID card back in 1971/2, except that I have it infront of me and it certainly has Race window with Turk in it. Except that not sure who, somebody put a blue line through it using a blue (Greek colour lol) pen.

Perhaps they were using old printed cards and crossing the word race in them but my race is never the less showing as Turk and not Cypriot. This is back in 1971/2 I think. And yes it does say Nationality Republic of Cyprus.

I have a feeling you boys had Cypriot in the box and we ended up with Turk.
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