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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Mon May 23, 2022 9:04 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Is he really in a position to demand anything to sit down and talk ceasefire so killing of people can stop. Surely the thing to do is sit down and talk ceasefire so the guns go silent and then start talking on how to solve the mess they created by attacking the Russian speakers in the east and the south.

I thought BoZo was an idiot but this idiot gives idiots a bad name.

He wants to be an EU member immediately on a special procedure. You cannot make it up. Perhaps he can ask for teas an scones at the talks. What the fuck?

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Killings of thousands and destroyed country wouldn’t have started if Zelensky after delay of 8 years ratified the Minsk agreement Ukraine signed in 2014.

He was obviously promised a lot to refuse by the west, so he gambled and Putin called his bluff, so now he is concerned about the killings? Talk about the most treasonous act he could have done to his people and country by gambling their lives and country.

But all is not lost for him. He does get to be compared to Churchill. :roll:

I have no fucking idea why?

Then again, it is the west ways of making heroes of some and evil of others when it suits them. :D

Comes from Hollywood you know! :D

As for Ukraine becoming an EU member by not going through loops, this will only make Turkey to demand the same or else Erdogan will block all potential NATO member wannabes. :D

Hello Turkey in the EU! :D


No need for any Minsk agreement anymore.

Correct

This will be settled once and for all on the battleground.

Correct

Russia didn't care when they invaded so now it's an irrelevance. :wink:

If the signed Minsk was ratified by Ukraine, there would not have been a Russian invasion, and Correct.

The Ukraine Military and the world are Ukrain'e's chief negotiators now and the negotiation will take place through force of arms till Russia gives up.

Correct, until not!

Ball is in Russia's court actually. It will either be over with the easy way (Russia withdrawal now) or the hard way, which is Russia's withdrawal down the track after they lose thousands more of their weak undisciplined soldiers which are already chasing their tales and are a complete embarrassment to Russia and a revelation to the west and NATO.

Correct, and maybe maybe!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon May 23, 2022 12:56 pm

I love it when an ant says to the elephant their problem will be resolved in the battleground.

Clearly they do not understand it will only destroy country.

He should fuckin sit down without conditions and get the guns silenced first and then discus terms for peace.

He can forget the lands he has lost already as well as joining Nato.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon May 23, 2022 1:41 pm

Lordo wrote:I love it when an ant says to the elephant their problem will be resolved in the battleground.

Clearly they do not understand it will only destroy country.

He should fuckin sit down without conditions and get the guns silenced first and then discus terms for peace.

He can forget the lands he has lost already as well as joining Nato.

The biggest defeat of course is for the US which foolishly thought that a constant supply of arms and the Ukraine’s seemingly endless supply of conscripts would result in a Russian defeat!

But they miscalculated badly for the Russian ground forces are the absolute best in the world.

The same 220K odd Russian troops that went in are still going… crashing what used to be a 1 million plus defense…. now reduced to around 500K!

Around 100,000 Ukrainians are dead, 30K+ captured, thousands deserted, foreign legions obliterated, Ukrainian military hardware destroyed many times over, and captured territory a daily occurrence!

The Ukrainians have not even managed to liberate the tiniest of villages…. not even one! The Azov Nazis have been completely captured or obliterated… they now belong in history books.

I’ve seen countless videos directly from the front-lines… with hundreds and hundreds of Ukrainians surrendering, hundreds and hundreds Ukrainians lying dead in the fields as far as your eye could see!

It’s a total cluster-fuck for the Ukraine and the only thing Zelensky can do now is beg for mercy.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon May 23, 2022 2:18 pm

The Anglo-Americans had supposedly provided the Ukraine with the military training etc, during the past 8 years… but what training can they possibly provide when they themselves haven’t been involved in a proper ground war against a worthy opponent since Vietnam?

What the hell do the Anglo-Americans know about ground forces and the massive logistics thereof, when they’ve spent the past 30-40 years hovering over 3rd world defenseless nations firing missiles from 5km away?

Such operations were never wars but one-sided massacres against goat herders!

The Ukrainians have no such air superiority luxury to be playing American-style games... so none of this “training” they’ve been providing seems to be helping the Ukraine.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon May 23, 2022 2:30 pm

OMG… it’s getting incredibly gay! Even their cheeks are bloody touching! :shock:

Zelensky, needs to be comforted and reassured every day that he’s not getting his arse whooped even though he’s getting his… arse whooped! :lol:

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon May 23, 2022 5:46 pm

In 1982 it took the Brits 1.5 months to liberate the Falkland islands!

By comparison, the Falkland islands are the size of ONE small Ukrainian village!

Yet today the British media has the audacity to call the Russians incompetent for taking 3 months to capture a quarter of a country the size of Turkey!

Now imagine if 30-40 countries were to also be helping the Argentinians out with armaments and intel every day… the Brits would still be there!

Go figure… :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Mon May 23, 2022 5:48 pm

Get Real! wrote:The Anglo-Americans had supposedly provided the Ukraine with the military training etc, during the past 8 years….


An incentive, so Zelensky thought, not to ratify Minsk agreements and instead gave Russia an open invitation to invade. :roll:

Well, at least he is getting hugs and his ego stroked at every opportunity by every Tom, Dick and Mary western politicians that he is a great leader after getting thousands of his citizens killed, his country destroyed, economy in shambles to he now needs a hand out every month and last but not least, most if not all in the near future, his Black Sea coastline. :roll:

Yes, Churchill in the making for some! :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Mon May 23, 2022 5:48 pm

Lordo wrote:I love it when an ant says to the elephant their problem will be resolved in the battleground.

Clearly they do not understand it will only destroy country.

He should fuckin sit down without conditions and get the guns silenced first and then discus terms for peace.

He can forget the lands he has lost already as well as joining Nato.


Any negotiations now by Ukraine will result in loss of war, and territory. That equates to the destruction of Ukraine.

Momentume is with Ukraine at the moment.

Therefore, Ukraine does not need negotiations till it's territory is fully liberated with the complete withdrawal of the Russian invaders.

It is the Russians that should be wanting to negotiate - as maybe they may be able to save Crimea.

But there is no invcentive for Ukraine to initiate anything right now. The Ukraine Military isn't floundering like the Russians are.

Stop fighting, and you lose. That's what it boils down to.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Mon May 23, 2022 5:55 pm

From a Ukrainian perspective, this war doesn't end till Russian Troops either die in their thousands or withdraw to save themselves.

In the meantime, it is a joy watching all the Russian Armour being destroyed by Bayraktar Drones, Toy Drones and Javelins on YouTube everyday. :D
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon May 23, 2022 5:57 pm

Paphitis wrote:From a Ukrainian perspective, this war doesn't end till Russian Troops either die in their thousands or withdraw to save themselves.

In the meantime, it is a joy watching all the Russian Armour being destroyed by Bayraktar Drones, Toy Drones and Javelins on YouTube everyday. :D

Well according to your favorite sites the Ukraine has already captured Moscow, imprisoned Putin and they’re now headed for Siberia to capture the oil and gas fields! :)
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