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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:47 am

Paphitis wrote:Looks like Kherson liberation is on the cards. All bridges have been destroyed and Russian Forces have requested safe passage for a complete retreat and withdrawal from the area.

I hope the Ukrainians will not allow safe passage and demand the surrender of all Russian Forces in the area. 20,000POWs

And to Get Real, this could also be a diversionary tactic by Ukraine as the offensive may be in the northern Kharkiv Area rather than Kherson. But it makes sense for Ukraine to go for Kherson at this point.

It looks like the Russians are now teetering on the edge of collapse already given the fact their artillery, rocket, and missile barrages have virtually declined by more than 90%


Yeah it looks like in your dreams. Go learn the basics. For a successful a counter attack you'd need minimum 3 times more fire power. The Russians lead by 20:1.
The Ukrainians are only good for fabricating PR victories.

They already tried counter attacking kherson 3 times so far and they ended up in a slaughterhouse. :lol:
The only possibility to get a few villages is to withdraw their forces from Donesk in which case they will lose massive area there.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:08 am

I was reading various analyses in the early days about the Russian plan in Ukraine. I was puzzled by one of them claiming that Russia is not primarily interested in liberating the Donbas area. It is interested in wrecking Ukraine. Now I tend to believe this is going to happen. Kharkiv, Zaporicha, Odessa and I don't know what else are going to be wrecked. We will see...
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby miltiades » Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:12 am

In the meantime the killing is going on. Russia's...Special Military Operation isn't going Putin's way. Fearce resistance by the Ukrainians will not stop after all they were invaded and have every right to fight the barbarians.
Only fools and psychopaths would support this barbaric invasion. Russia Today has now been blocked by the EU as well as Sputnic. Russia has been isolated with only roughe states in support.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:18 pm

miltiades wrote:In the meantime the killing is going on. Russia's...Special Military Operation isn't going Putin's way.

I 've heard this nonsense about 'Putin's war" a million times and I decided to spend a little time for the ignorant in here.
If you think Putin personally is planning everything then you should get out of the door. You know nothing of how Russia as a state operates. When Biden utters nonsense yes it's him personally who does that. And then the whole White house is running to wash up the place. When Putin says or decides for something, it has already gone through hundreds of steps within the Russian state.Big difference between the two.
A very clear example of this are the announcements of the Russian MOD. Always dry and boring, but always absolutely correct. (at least for the matters they don't hide). No propaganda at all, only pure facts. Compare with the announcements of the Ukrainian MOD. Only PR nonsense


Fearce resistance by the Ukrainians will not stop after all they were invaded and have every right to fight the barbarians.

Sorry to disappoint you. The Ukrainians have thrown everything they have in Donesk, because if what's left of Donesk gets lost, Ukraine is finished. Nobody will continue financing a failed state, that currently needs billions just to pay it's public servants. They 've already lost the vast majority of their experienced troops. On the front lines they place totally inexperienced, newly drafted conscripts, most of which never fired a shot in their lives. They draft everyone who walks around in the streets young and old. Those who can afford it abandon the country, and surprise surprise they are not really poor refugees, just look at the luxury cars they park outside of the hotels they stay all over Europe. The commanders sit on the back killing everyone who might try deserting. That's the fierce resistance you see. Those "fighters" have no choice other than stay there and get killed, or get killed by their own. 300-1000 casualties per day! On the other hand the Russians let most of the direct combat duties to the already existing militia in Donbas. They themselves do the support shelling from behind. Barbarians you said? Sure war is barbarism, however who is the most barbarian here, the ones who kill their own, and also kill the vast majority of the POWs they capture? Did you know that on the last exchange the Ukrainians only had 500 Russian POW's to exchange? What do you think Russia will eventually do with the 50,000 Ukrainian POWs it holds??? Turn them to slave workers maybe?

Only fools and psychopaths would support this barbaric invasion. Russia Today has now been blocked by the EU as well as Sputnic. Russia has been isolated with only roughe states in support.

Stop the crap. This is war, which by itself is barbaric. You should blame those who instigated it, which is no-one else other than the collective American-Nato "defensive" imish alliance, and their European vassal states. Sputnik and RT have been blocked from the very beginning. They are not even major information media. There are hundreds of more interesting information sources in Telegram,Twitter, Youtube, and hundreds of other sites you would never have the time to go through other than a small fraction. If you are particularly interested for RT then look here. Is it blocked yes or no?
https://rumble.com/c/RTNews


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:03 pm

miltiades wrote:In the meantime the killing is going on. Russia's...Special Military Operation isn't going Putin's way. Fearce resistance by the Ukrainians will not stop after all they were invaded and have every right to fight the barbarians.
Only fools and psychopaths would support this barbaric invasion. Russia Today has now been blocked by the EU as well as Sputnic. Russia has been isolated with only roughe states in support.



Our friend Pyro gave you a long version answer to your post.

I will give you a very short version regarding this war, Milti.

“You cannot have Security for one at the expense of another!”

Simple. If my version isn’t clear, I will expand on it for you. :idea:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:25 pm

Kikapu wrote:
miltiades wrote:In the meantime the killing is going on. Russia's...Special Military Operation isn't going Putin's way. Fearce resistance by the Ukrainians will not stop after all they were invaded and have every right to fight the barbarians.
Only fools and psychopaths would support this barbaric invasion. Russia Today has now been blocked by the EU as well as Sputnic. Russia has been isolated with only roughe states in support.



Our friend Pyro gave you a long version answer to your post.

I will give you a very short version regarding this war, Milti.

“You cannot have Security for one at the expense of another!”

Simple. If my version isn’t clear, I will expand on it for you. :idea:


I just tried to help Milti realize that blue is not always a bad color. :wink:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2278871/?ref_=vp_vi_tt

But I agree shorter versions are usually more easily understood. :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby miltiades » Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:21 pm

By what Purple wrote one would think that Ukraine invaded Russia. The only barbarians here are the invaders or as Turkey says the .. piss interventionist. I understand a lot more that some of you do. Undoubtedly Russia was concerned at the prospect of NATO at its borders but there is absolutely no excuse for invading and embarking upon the destruction of a sovereign nation causing the death of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians. I'm the othet hand Turkey had a lot more excuses to invade Cyprus, she was one of the guarantors . The fanatics obsessed with Greece invited her in. Russia's only excuse was the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO. Russia has allready lost the war, where it thought their " Special" would be a walk over it hasn't. Fierce resistance is prolonging this dreadful war. I do not in any way hate Russia, in fact I have always liked the Russians and visited the country on two occasions. I despise wars of any sort I also confess that the fact that one Christian nation invaded another strengthens my antipathy towards this mythological scatology of a creator.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:01 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Looks like Kherson liberation is on the cards. All bridges have been destroyed and Russian Forces have requested safe passage for a complete retreat and withdrawal from the area.

I hope the Ukrainians will not allow safe passage and demand the surrender of all Russian Forces in the area. 20,000POWs

And to Get Real, this could also be a diversionary tactic by Ukraine as the offensive may be in the northern Kharkiv Area rather than Kherson. But it makes sense for Ukraine to go for Kherson at this point.

It looks like the Russians are now teetering on the edge of collapse already given the fact their artillery, rocket, and missile barrages have virtually declined by more than 90%


Yeah it looks like in your dreams. Go learn the basics. For a successful a counter attack you'd need minimum 3 times more fire power. The Russians lead by 20:1.
The Ukrainians are only good for fabricating PR victories.

They already tried counter attacking kherson 3 times so far and they ended up in a slaughterhouse. :lol:
The only possibility to get a few villages is to withdraw their forces from Donesk in which case they will lose massive area there.


You are too far gone, especially when you tell us the MOD delivers 100% pure facts. Who are you kidding?

Here is a fun fact. Russia has lost more troops in Ukraine in just 5 months than it did for an entire 10 years in Afganistan.

And right now, there are 100 Ukrainian Pilots in the US being trained on American Fighters (F-16s or F-18s). The will of the west is very clear. Don't for a second thing the west won't fund this war for the next 10 years if it has to. The US Defence budget is 800 billion - 32 times greater than the entire GDP of Cyprus.

And the Russians are running out of puff as their munitions stockpiles have almost completely been destroyed.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:58 pm

miltiades wrote:By what Purple wrote one would think that Ukraine invaded Russia. The only barbarians here are the invaders or as Turkey says the .. piss interventionist. I understand a lot more that some of you do. Undoubtedly Russia was concerned at the prospect of NATO at its borders but there is absolutely no excuse for invading and embarking upon the destruction of a sovereign nation causing the death of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians. I'm the othet hand Turkey had a lot more excuses to invade Cyprus, she was one of the guarantors . The fanatics obsessed with Greece invited her in. Russia's only excuse was the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO. Russia has allready lost the war, where it thought their " Special" would be a walk over it hasn't. Fierce resistance is prolonging this dreadful war. I do not in any way hate Russia, in fact I have always liked the Russians and visited the country on two occasions. I despise wars of any sort I also confess that the fact that one Christian nation invaded another strengthens my antipathy towards this mythological scatology of a creator.


Ok, let me expand just a little.

It was not just the possibility of NATO moving next door into Ukraine, though that would have been enough reason for Russia to react since Ukraine never ratified the Minsk agreements it signed. This had the potential for the Ukrainian Black Sea coastline to become NATO’s Black Sea coastline so close to Crimea. Now, if you were in Russia’s shoes and you are concern about your own security, what would you have done? Would you take the chance that NATO and Ukraine would not try to take back Crimea and leave you and your Navy exposed which is based in Sevastopol and knowing you cannot pick a fight with NATO without going Nuclear, the next best thing was to invade Ukraine before a small headache becomes a migraine. :wink:

You need to be able to understand why what is happening in Ukraine is happening. It is not about picking sides. It is about walking in the shoes of the one feeling threatened, that’s all. All this would have been avoided had Ukraine ratified the Minsk agreements which was signed 8 years ago. It is obvious that there was never an intention to ratify Minsk by Ukraine on the instructions from America (NATO), which meant there was going to be a war come what may. This all did not happen in a vacuum. Now, if you don’t get that, that’s fine, but please don’t accuse others who do get it as being idiots. Look on the bright side as this war continues, that the world may have avoided a Nuclear War had the threat to Russia became very real by Ukraine becoming a NATO member and that Black Sea becomes NATO’s so close to Crimea. Try looking for that silver lining sometimes. :wink:

Sorry, I went over a little in trying to expand. :oops:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:00 pm

Paphitis wrote:You are too far gone, especially when you tell us the MOD delivers 100% pure facts. Who are you kidding?

I am not kidding myself like you do. Show me just one announcement of the Russian MOD that is not TRUE.

Here is a fun fact. Russia has lost more troops in Ukraine in just 5 months than it did for an entire 10 years in Afganistan.

Says who?? You? The various biased expert "estimators"? I can make my own estimates considering that on the last exchange of POWs they exchanged only 125 each, because Ukraine presumably only had 500. It was on the Western news including of course our RIK. From the number of POW one can estimate the wounded and dead and vice versa.I don't claim to be an expert on that.


And right now, there are 100 Ukrainian Pilots in the US being trained on American Fighters (F-16s or F-18s). The will of the west is very clear. Don't for a second thing the west won't fund this war for the next 10 years if it has to. The US Defence budget is 800 billion - 32 times greater than the entire GDP of Cyprus.


Always misinformed and confused. 100 million for training and maintenance doesn't mean 100 pilots.Furthermore that may never even materialize and if it ever does, the war in Ukraine will be over before those pilots learn anything.


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/p ... sentatives

And by the way---> :lol: :lol: :lol:

Currently, Nomad is the only Ukrainian Air Force pilot training in the United States, as part of an Air Force leadership program at Columbus Air Force Base, Mississippi. This began before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February, but he’s now hopeful that he could be among the initial cadre to train to fly F-16s.

And the Russians are running out of puff as their munitions stockpiles have almost completely been destroyed.

LOL, always guessing huh? Well here's the bad news for you. By Putin's decree (1-2 months ago) all military contractors have personnel producing munitions on a 3 shift basis including weekends. That's 24/7. It was all over the pro Russian news outlets.
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