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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:04 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Todays news:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/28/huge-clo ... -17841523/

Tomorrow's news: The Russians did it!

Just shove your junk links up your arse for all their worth, pedo clown.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:42 am

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Kikapu wrote:As always you are trying to dilute the whole criminal events of this crime by the Ukrainian soldiers by bringing other similar events that may have been committed by the Russian soldiers. For me there are no acceptance of such crimes regardless who commits them sorry to disappoint you in your belief of otherwise of me! :roll:


That's a bit confusing ("sorry to disappoint you in your belief of otherwise of me" :? ) but - no - there's no dilution.

So, a 40 second video appears on Southgate (a site well known for its balanced views). Who posted it and why? Where and when did it happen? Who was involved? What were the circumstances? The answer to all it seems is - we don't know. I think it reasonable to want more than that before being able to discard the possibility that it was actually a contrived means of winding up what was becoming flagging domestic popularity for Putin's war.

Regarding the wider subject of war crimes in Ukraine.

As far as "may have been committed by the Russian soldiers" their excesses have been investigated/documented and found to have been fairly widespread throughout this war. Unlike the 40 second video furore, little to nothing has been said on those issues by war-supporters though, apart usually from denials that they've ever occurred, are faked, or simply ignoring them.

The UN isn't the only agency involved in those investigations. However, their War Crime report seems fairly balanced. In it they also point to crimes committed by the Ukrainians but it's quite clear in that "We have found obviously significantly larger numbers of instances that amount to war crimes on the part of the Russian Federation.” Very significant numbers it seems.

Many western news agencies, with reporters actually on the ground in Ukraine, have published articles about the issue from witnesses to events and their investigations at the scenes. Stories reflecting rape, torture, gratuitous exections, mass graves. Apparently, though these are to be disregarded, on the basis they're all involved in some sort of collective global anti-Russian conspiracy.


Question: is there to be any "discussion" on this thread? Or, do we all just broadcast our views and links? Perhaps taking it in turns to ignore people or sometimes disappear for a while. That seems to be the trend.

I ask because, like Pyrpro, you seem to want it carried out in one-liners from those who have different views to yourselves. Although, not when the poster's are sympathetic to yours. Ipso facto, you were quite happy to read what must be a 350 word post and watch a two and half hour video "in it's entirety" because it obviously complements your views (IMHO Ritter's a useful idiot). Anything beyond a couple of sentences from the opposition though becomes a "Rant", "Tirade", "Diatribe". Fill in the blank.

I'm not going to play that game. If unacceptable, then perhaps you should adopt Pyrpro's stance. You'll find him over there in the corner, hiding. Otherwise I look forward to discussing the issue. Like you once said you did.


You are absolutely correct. There is no evidence this video is in any way related to the incident involving the 10 Ruzzian POWs, who were neatly arranged laying down in a neat line next to each other. In that incident, the 10 Ruzzians were gunned downed by Ukrainian Army as they were surrendering but the video also depicted at least 1 of the Ruzzians making out to grab his pistol.

The second video just showed some dead soldiers that were being shot in the head.

The 2 incidents are probably unrelated and propaganda.

Why can we presume it may be unrelated? Well the dead soldiers were not neatly arranged and the topography also looks different. There is no indication that seems obvious that the soldiers were even Ukrainian.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:47 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
We both know full well what these gaslighters will say - Ruzzia does not commit war crimes. Only Ukraine does.

Yet the Ruzzians bomb civilian apartment buildings, schools, playgrounds, electricity grids, use Nuclear Power stations as a shield to shell other Ukrainian towns and cities and I can go on and on.

I'm sorry, but the Ruzzians are barbarians. A very cold and barbaric people.

It's a global victory to see them completely decimated, humbled and humilitated globally and reduced to a third world tin pot. It's what evil deserves. Evil needs to be punished and made an example of much like NAZI Germany, Russia should see the same fate.

What Russia has done in Ukraine is completely evil, and barbaric. this isn't a country anyone should be proud of. It's a country that deserves the greatest condemnation.

As a result, the free world in its entirety is on Ukraine's side. we all stand with Ukraine, because at the end of the day, we must never allow this evil to prevail.


The problem with your rational when it comes to the war in Ukraine is that you only see things Black & White, which such views are reserved for those with simplistic understandings of political events in that region and what it means to the security of those countries in that region. When security of some are demanded at the expense of security of others, we get the present situation, and if you think Russia is the sole responsible party in what is happening in Ukraine, then there’s no hope for you to advance beyond such simplistic views, other than blindly becoming a Pom Pom Cheerleader for Ukraine, even when they commit crimes for all to see. :shock:


There is no interest from the Ukrainian side to commit a war crime. Everything is going their way and Ruzzian POWs are actually quite valuable to them alive.

The Ukrainians have a very successful surrender initiative where Ruzzian soldiers and conscripts can just call a "surrender for life" hotline. And many Ruzzians do call and receive their surrender instructions.

Some, even negotiate clemency and asylum. Some even join the Ukrainian Legion and receive citizenship. others are exchanged for Ukrainian POWs. 10 dead Ruzzians means that there are 10 Ukrainians that won't be freed in an exchanged. And Ruzzia does torture them and commit crimes against the Geneva Convention, whereas Ruzzian POWs are generally well treated.

I feel very comfortable that I am supporting the right side, and that I support humanism, justice and fairness. I have always strive to live by these principles. It's the reason why I chose my current profession and was trained by Australian Tax Payers and served the interests of Australia because I consider Australia to be the forefront of humanity, justice, freedom and democracy. I believe this to be true 1000%. As a result, I and my colleagues always had very high morale and we would not hesitate to risk our lives for our country and that is what I did, and I nearly did get killed in a couple of incidents and had a couple more very dangerous encounters as well.

The Ruzzian soldiers do not have this. We can all see it. And that is why they are losing. No one believes in their cause - not even their own soldiers believe in their cause or believe they are doing anything at all that is good for humanity, justice, freedom and democracy.

I can never serve a country like that. If Australia was in any way like Ruzzia, I would not have served it.

I think you will agree that there is what heck of a difference between countries like Australia, and the collective west at large to Ruzzia - which is literally a deplorable and scum of the earth country and nothing short of a criminal rogue.

And that my friend is ALL FACT!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:44 pm

The usual everyday scenario on the ground in Ukraine is numerous AFU failed attacks and retreats to their original positions with heavy loses.

What changed the last few days though is definite Russian advances. E.g in Bakhmut area we currently see the start of the active encirclement of the city. Odradivka, Ozarianivka, Zelenopillia, and Andriivka have already been liberated, Opytne is in the Grey zone, while klishchiivka is under atttack. When this gets liberated the only city left to complete the encirclement of Bakhmut from 3 directions would be Chasiv Yar.

Notice the difference: Absolutely no retreat to original positions for the Russians.

There are also other Russian advances in other areas e.g. the city of Mar'inka was by 70% liberated at 28 November.

More information here:
https://t.me/rybar/41564
Enjoy the video with fine Russian classic music in the background.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:53 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:More information here:
https://t.me/rybar/41564
Enjoy the video with fine Russian classic music in the background.

WTF is that useless crap? You slack shit for brains!

The chances of you extracting a video that actually works is... ZERO!

"enjoy the video"

Are you for fucking real? :lol:

Enjoy your fucking stupidity more like… :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:11 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:As always you are trying to dilute the whole criminal events of this crime by the Ukrainian soldiers by bringing other similar events that may have been committed by the Russian soldiers. For me there are no acceptance of such crimes regardless who commits them sorry to disappoint you in your belief of otherwise of me! :roll:


That's a bit confusing ("sorry to disappoint you in your belief of otherwise of me" :? ) but - no - there's no dilution.

So, a 40 second video appears on Southgate (a site well known for its balanced views). Who posted it and why? Where and when did it happen? Who was involved? What were the circumstances? The answer to all it seems is - we don't know. I think it reasonable to want more than that before being able to discard the possibility that it was actually a contrived means of winding up what was becoming flagging domestic popularity for Putin's war.

Regarding the wider subject of war crimes in Ukraine.

As far as "may have been committed by the Russian soldiers" their excesses have been investigated/documented and found to have been fairly widespread throughout this war. Unlike the 40 second video furore, little to nothing has been said on those issues by war-supporters though, apart usually from denials that they've ever occurred, are faked, or simply ignoring them.

The UN isn't the only agency involved in those investigations. However, their War Crime report seems fairly balanced. In it they also point to crimes committed by the Ukrainians but it's quite clear in that "We have found obviously significantly larger numbers of instances that amount to war crimes on the part of the Russian Federation.” Very significant numbers it seems.

Many western news agencies, with reporters actually on the ground in Ukraine, have published articles about the issue from witnesses to events and their investigations at the scenes. Stories reflecting rape, torture, gratuitous exections, mass graves. Apparently, though these are to be disregarded, on the basis they're all involved in some sort of collective global anti-Russian conspiracy.


Question: is there to be any "discussion" on this thread? Or, do we all just broadcast our views and links? Perhaps taking it in turns to ignore people or sometimes disappear for a while. That seems to be the trend.

I ask because, like Pyrpro, you seem to want it carried out in one-liners from those who have different views to yourselves. Although, not when the poster's are sympathetic to yours. Ipso facto, you were quite happy to read what must be a 350 word post and watch a two and half hour video "in it's entirety" because it obviously complements your views (IMHO Ritter's a useful idiot). Anything beyond a couple of sentences from the opposition though becomes a "Rant", "Tirade", "Diatribe". Fill in the blank.

I'm not going to play that game. If unacceptable, then perhaps you should adopt Pyrpro's stance. You'll find him over there in the corner, hiding. Otherwise I look forward to discussing the issue. Like you once said you did.


I was responding to Paphitis’ post making excuses to the killing of the Russian soldiers by the Ukranian soldiers, therefore I accept the video to be valid being filmed by the Ukrainians. I find the whole event to be criminal and inhumane. When the Russian soldiers do the same to the Ukrainian soldiers, it is too criminal and inhumane. Satisfied?

As I have stated before, that wars fought are never fought with “gentleman’s rules” which means tortures, rapes and murders are common accusations by both sides as there truths in such accusations equally applicable to both sides. The fact that Ukraine and the collective West are able to win the propaganda war in keeping it’s citizens in the dark by feeding them bullshit, does not mean they are blameless in such accusations as stated above. We are suppose to be living in a Democracy after all, but you would never know it. It is not to say Russia isn’t feeding the same bullshit to it’s citizens, but since Putin is labeled as a dictator, what else can we expect. The question is, what is the collective West’s excuse in lying to us which never seem to question and accept everything the collective West dishes out as fact. No wonder I watch and read information away from the MSM, even if it takes 2.5 hours. It is always good to get information which is not dictated from heads of states to the heads of major media’s as they cannot be trusted. No different than when one lies in the court of law where the rest of their statements are not taken seriously.

Having discussions on forums are difficult as we are not always present at the same time to have a “conversation”, so instead, we write our opinions and post related articles or videos. I do not see the problem in this. Perhaps you should stop making invalid accusation of others of how they feel about certain issues, war in Ukraine or other topics.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:24 pm


You mean it didn’t pan out they way you were hoping so now you’re trying to save face? :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:28 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:As always you are trying to dilute the whole criminal events of this crime by the Ukrainian soldiers by bringing other similar events that may have been committed by the Russian soldiers. For me there are no acceptance of such crimes regardless who commits them sorry to disappoint you in your belief of otherwise of me! :roll:


That's a bit confusing ("sorry to disappoint you in your belief of otherwise of me" :? ) but - no - there's no dilution.

So, a 40 second video appears on Southgate (a site well known for its balanced views). Who posted it and why? Where and when did it happen? Who was involved? What were the circumstances? The answer to all it seems is - we don't know. I think it reasonable to want more than that before being able to discard the possibility that it was actually a contrived means of winding up what was becoming flagging domestic popularity for Putin's war.

Regarding the wider subject of war crimes in Ukraine.

As far as "may have been committed by the Russian soldiers" their excesses have been investigated/documented and found to have been fairly widespread throughout this war. Unlike the 40 second video furore, little to nothing has been said on those issues by war-supporters though, apart usually from denials that they've ever occurred, are faked, or simply ignoring them.

The UN isn't the only agency involved in those investigations. However, their War Crime report seems fairly balanced. In it they also point to crimes committed by the Ukrainians but it's quite clear in that "We have found obviously significantly larger numbers of instances that amount to war crimes on the part of the Russian Federation.” Very significant numbers it seems.

Many western news agencies, with reporters actually on the ground in Ukraine, have published articles about the issue from witnesses to events and their investigations at the scenes. Stories reflecting rape, torture, gratuitous exections, mass graves. Apparently, though these are to be disregarded, on the basis they're all involved in some sort of collective global anti-Russian conspiracy.


Question: is there to be any "discussion" on this thread? Or, do we all just broadcast our views and links? Perhaps taking it in turns to ignore people or sometimes disappear for a while. That seems to be the trend.

I ask because, like Pyrpro, you seem to want it carried out in one-liners from those who have different views to yourselves. Although, not when the poster's are sympathetic to yours. Ipso facto, you were quite happy to read what must be a 350 word post and watch a two and half hour video "in it's entirety" because it obviously complements your views (IMHO Ritter's a useful idiot). Anything beyond a couple of sentences from the opposition though becomes a "Rant", "Tirade", "Diatribe". Fill in the blank.

I'm not going to play that game. If unacceptable, then perhaps you should adopt Pyrpro's stance. You'll find him over there in the corner, hiding. Otherwise I look forward to discussing the issue. Like you once said you did.


I was responding to Paphitis’ post making excuses to the killing of the Russian soldiers by the Ukranian soldiers, therefore I accept the video to be valid being filmed by the Ukrainians. I find the whole event to be criminal and inhumane. When the Russian soldiers do the same to the Ukrainian soldiers, it is too criminal and inhumane. Satisfied?

As I have stated before, that wars fought are never fought with “gentleman’s rules” which means tortures, rapes and murders are common accusations by both sides as there truths in such accusations equally applicable to both sides. The fact that Ukraine and the collective West are able to win the propaganda war in keeping it’s citizens in the dark by feeding them bullshit, does not mean they are blameless in such accusations as stated above. We are suppose to be living in a Democracy after all, but you would never know it. It is not to say Russia isn’t feeding the same bullshit to it’s citizens, but since Putin is labeled as a dictator, what else can we expect. The question is, what is the collective West’s excuse in lying to us which never seem to question and accept everything the collective West dishes out as fact. No wonder I watch and read information away from the MSM, even if it takes 2.5 hours. It is always good to get information which is not dictated from heads of states to the heads of major media’s as they cannot be trusted. No different than when one lies in the court of law where the rest of their statements are not taken seriously.

Having discussions on forums are difficult as we are not always present at the same time to have a “conversation”, so instead, we write our opinions and post related articles or videos. I do not see the problem in this. Perhaps you should stop making invalid accusation of others of how they feel about certain issues, war in Ukraine or other topics.


And Ruzzia is doing all the raping, murdering of civilians, bombing entire cities and reducing the place to rubble.

Ruzzia has launched 16000 missiles on Ukraine.

15500 struck civilian areas, civilian buildings, and civilian infrastructure and only 500 struck legitimate military targets.

That's 15500 war crimes here alone.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:31 pm

Oh BTW! DING DONG Bitches!

How is the war going bitches? Any news from the front lines?

Are you all having a tissy fit because Ukrainian Soldiers defended themselves and are defending their invaded and illegally occupied country? :lol:

How is the offensive on Bakhmout going bitches? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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