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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Maximus » Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:28 pm

Sounds like I hit a nerve and you make it sound like it was me or the GCs that activily supported partition in the 50's and all that, that it would entail.

Didnt the TC's know that they would have had to commit ethnic cleansing, abandon their homes and steal from the GC's to achieve their aims.

your community did this to itself and they blame the GC's for it because you are all lying to yourselves.

Time to face the truth you old decrepit prick.

The TC deserve nothing unless the GC's get their property back, plus compensation and their country is free from the illegal regime and occupation. After all, its your ledership that want to keep the property they stole.

But at least the Roc, as the legitimate authority compensated the guy and with restitution. Even though he wasnt a citizen of the RoC at the time, i bet he is a citizen of the "pseudo" regime.

it wont stop hypocritical virtue signalling shysters like you from saying something.

If you really knew what my grandfather was doing back in the 50's and 60's, you would be kneeling and kissing my feet.

you cunt.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Londonrake » Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:55 pm

Lordo wrote:My heart is always with all refugees including in Jenin refugee camp and what they are suffering today.


Really? Are you sure?

Perhaps - as you said earlier about the 9000 murdered Ukrainian civilian men, women and children, the thousands driven from their destroyed homes and millions who've had to flee their country................ "They deserved it".
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:17 pm

...well said (again), Lordo.

Eventually 'we' will come to understand that "This" must stop.

...indeed, your question Max may find an answer in the future but be careful what you wish for. Framing the issue as you have implies that you expect the so called TRNC to act accordingly as if they (and Turkey) are equal to the Republic, in Cyprus. Persons we are, but let's never forget where this Liberty comes from and what we must defend in keeping such identities. Are you "Greek" Max, ask yourself as a Citizen of the World.

Freedom, our Freedom depends on 'us', as Individuals to be trusting and respectful toward each other equal in our need. Think carefully why Cyprus is not divided already, how it is 'we' (divided as we are) are not as People ''Greeks'', the others "Turk" already? Cypriots across the island vote. After decades never once has one of "Their" candidates on either "side" ever won an overwhelming majority despite all the Linguistic Imperialism that has been foisted on Cypriots Greek and Turkish over all this time.

...theft is theft Max, this i doubt anyone but a thief will disagree with you. Who suffers in this case, not Cypriots witnessing a Rule of Law that has the capacity to make decisions based on Universal Principles. I do not despair.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:19 pm

...well said, LR

Enosis, the word that needs a Cypriot meaning. Cypriots, the people, may do that too, divided as they are.

...and yes, the Problem, relegated to being a problem is now a Ukrainian (and Turkish) problem too.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Maximus » Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:25 pm

Cyprus is divided RW

Framing the issue as you have implies that you expect the so called TRNC to act accordingly as if they (and Turkey) are equal to the Republic, in Cyprus.


I expect Turkey and the pseudo regime to be held to account and to undo their illegality and theft in Cyprus. If they cant be held to a higher standard of conduct then how do you expect a resolution to this decades old problem? Do the GC's and the RoC have to sink the depths of their insanity to meet them "half way"?
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Lordo » Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:12 pm

Maximus wrote:Cyprus is divided RW

Framing the issue as you have implies that you expect the so called TRNC to act accordingly as if they (and Turkey) are equal to the Republic, in Cyprus.


I expect Turkey and the pseudo regime to be held to account and to undo their illegality and theft in Cyprus. If they cant be held to a higher standard of conduct then how do you expect a resolution to this decades old problem? Do the GC's and the RoC have to sink the depths of their insanity to meet them "half way"?

Your problem is that you are so myopic. You are stuck in 1974. Learn your history.
1. We signed an agreement in 1960.
2. You started a war in 1963 with the plan to unite with Greece.

There is the real problem. A lot of GCs refuse to even look at how we arrived here today. Especially when Dengtash agreed back in 1972 to the changes asked for by Makarios only for Makarios to veto the agreement between Dengtash and Clerides. So I guess you can go kiss Makaros's ass for the predicament he put you in. Or even Grivas's ass. Especially as he new about the coup and did nothing about it and actually invited Turkey to invade with his own mouth.

When it comes to 2004, we had a good plan so most people would get closure for their property but GCs said no. No use crying for spilt milk. I said it before and I will say it again. Those TCs who have not accepted GC properties will be given their properties back plus compensation for not being able to use their property. Especially those who left Cyprus before 1974. I have property taken from me back in 1963. I still do not have to this day.

FFS learn your history.

Not forgetting that TCs set up IPC for GCs to claim their land or compensation or both. Considering TCs have done this why has RoC set u something similar for people to do the same in reverse. This Dervish character has paid 20,000 pounds and spent 10 years going through the RoC courts to finally be given his property back.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:49 pm

...and they have been Max; a decision such as this demonstrates that they are no equal.
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But, to expose ''Them'', Cypriots can no longer pick a side per se, they must seek each other out, and in their actions demonstrate this unity; who is against that?

Cyprus is not divided Max. If you believe that, you have been sucked in by "their" mythic dogmas. Cypriots are not "Greek", neither are all Turks, "Turks".

...as i said before, it is the voters across the island, either way even divided unnaturally the way we are, a number never less than half that vote for Cyprus, to ''be'' Cypriots (despite their Leadership).

If 'we' do not recognise that, eventually ''they'' will succeed in reducing our Freedom, to be without the identity of ''being'' an Individual paramount, and as Persons to act in hateful enterprise to ''others'' when it is mandated by such a ruling class.

Enosis, i dare say for the world's sake, matters. A Cypriot meaning for the word, Cypriots joining together, would be easy to understand, and it would surely be held in high esteem and emulated.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Maximus » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:31 pm

Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:Cyprus is divided RW

Framing the issue as you have implies that you expect the so called TRNC to act accordingly as if they (and Turkey) are equal to the Republic, in Cyprus.


I expect Turkey and the pseudo regime to be held to account and to undo their illegality and theft in Cyprus. If they cant be held to a higher standard of conduct then how do you expect a resolution to this decades old problem? Do the GC's and the RoC have to sink the depths of their insanity to meet them "half way"?

Your problem is that you are so myopic. You are stuck in 1974. Learn your history.
1. We signed an agreement in 1960.
2. You started a war in 1963 with the plan to unite with Greece.

There is the real problem. A lot of GCs refuse to even look at how we arrived here today. Especially when Dengtash agreed back in 1972 to the changes asked for by Makarios only for Makarios to veto the agreement between Dengtash and Clerides. So I guess you can go kiss Makaros's ass for the predicament he put you in. Or even Grivas's ass. Especially as he new about the coup and did nothing about it and actually invited Turkey to invade with his own mouth.

When it comes to 2004, we had a good plan so most people would get closure for their property but GCs said no. No use crying for spilt milk. I said it before and I will say it again. Those TCs who have not accepted GC properties will be given their properties back plus compensation for not being able to use their property. Especially those who left Cyprus before 1974. I have property taken from me back in 1963. I still do not have to this day.

FFS learn your history.

Not forgetting that TCs set up IPC for GCs to claim their land or compensation or both. Considering TCs have done this why has RoC set u something similar for people to do the same in reverse. This Dervish character has paid 20,000 pounds and spent 10 years going through the RoC courts to finally be given his property back.


I cant take you seriously, because firstly, you are a hypocrite and secondly you are so disingenuous.

You know very well that all these agreements or plans were unfair and discriminatory to %80+ of the population and basically designed to fail. A legally invalid agreement, not up to modern world standards is always going to be legally invalid and not up to modern world standards.

For a humanitarian man who loves equality amongst people like yourself, you need to take a good hard long look in the mirror to see if the man staring back at you is actually who you would like everyone to think he is.

You have to face and accept the truth. Your people wanted partition and all that it would entail, including ethnic cleansing and dispossessing a large section of your "compatriots" of their property to live under a Turkish governance.

its pitiful that a man of your age living in an advanced western society thinks like this.

Whats even more pitiful is that for you, this "good bit of news" is only so because a "TC" has been compensated by the RoC and one of yours has got one up on the GC's.

if this is a precedent, then all GC's should get compensated for their losses in the occupied north and get restitution as well. :roll: Which would mean, the "TRNC" would cease to exist and you wouldnt have your illegal state.

Would this equally be a good bit of news for a supporter of all refugees like yourself or are you going to demonstrate some hypocrisy instead?
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby MR-from-NG » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:52 pm

Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:Cyprus is divided RW

Framing the issue as you have implies that you expect the so called TRNC to act accordingly as if they (and Turkey) are equal to the Republic, in Cyprus.


I expect Turkey and the pseudo regime to be held to account and to undo their illegality and theft in Cyprus. If they cant be held to a higher standard of conduct then how do you expect a resolution to this decades old problem? Do the GC's and the RoC have to sink the depths of their insanity to meet them "half way"?

Your problem is that you are so myopic. You are stuck in 1974. Learn your history.
1. We signed an agreement in 1960.
2. You started a war in 1963 with the plan to unite with Greece.

There is the real problem. A lot of GCs refuse to even look at how we arrived here today. Especially when Dengtash agreed back in 1972 to the changes asked for by Makarios only for Makarios to veto the agreement between Dengtash and Clerides. So I guess you can go kiss Makaros's ass for the predicament he put you in. Or even Grivas's ass. Especially as he new about the coup and did nothing about it and actually invited Turkey to invade with his own mouth.

When it comes to 2004, we had a good plan so most people would get closure for their property but GCs said no. No use crying for spilt milk. I said it before and I will say it again. Those TCs who have not accepted GC properties will be given their properties back plus compensation for not being able to use their property. Especially those who left Cyprus before 1974. I have property taken from me back in 1963. I still do not have to this day.

FFS learn your history.

Not forgetting that TCs set up IPC for GCs to claim their land or compensation or both. Considering TCs have done this why has RoC set u something similar for people to do the same in reverse. This Dervish character has paid 20,000 pounds and spent 10 years going through the RoC courts to finally be given his property back.


I cant take you seriously, because firstly, you are a hypocrite and secondly you are so disingenuous.

You know very well that all these agreements or plans were unfair and discriminatory to %80+ of the population and basically designed to fail.

You have to face and accept the truth.

A legally invalid agreement, not up to modern world standards is always going to be legally invalid and not up to modern world standards.

If this is what you have come to expect from a government then you deserve everything you have gotten.

its pitiful that a man of your age living in an advanced western society thinks like this.

Max, Lordo, I love your exchanges on the forum. Keep it up guys, enlightening and entertaining.

Max, my dear young Max. I have come to the conclusion you are a London Greek and you don't visit Cyprus often? If you think Cyprus is really and truly a member of the civilised world and has standards, any standards, then you have no idea the state your Cyprus is really in. Be thankful you are a member of the Christian members club AKA EU. They have no choice but to sweep all the dirt under the carpet for you and your big brother Greece. The way MSM reported on the 750 murdered refugees is clear proof of this. The way Cyprus treats migrant workers is a disgrace.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:03 pm

Lordo wrote: It sounds as the transfer was done without any payment of taxes too.

If anybody can find out information regarding taxes and how much property this fellow had would be really useful. Also if anybody can suggest a GC lawyer that is decent and has offices in both Cyprus and London would be very helpful too.


The taxes for immovable property in Cyprus are insignificant, and if there are pending amounts, they are payable at the time you issue new deeds, or within a week prior to sell. In addition to that you pay capital gains e.g. if when his father transferred ownership the value of the property was 100K and now 1M then you pay tax on capital gain of 900K which might be as high as 35%.
There are many people who try to sell their properties and get surprised to hear they have to pay thousands in capital gains BEFORE they sell.* This happened to the owner from which my daughter had agreed to buy a house. In the end the deal was cancelled, because the owner didn't have the money to pay and secondly because he calculated wrong in thinking he could buy a new one for himself.

I did search about your request of how much property the guy had. There was nothing in newspapers other than the fact that most of the property was in Ayia Triada area of Limassol, it was quite big, and there was also a building block in central Limassol in Heroes square. That one alone should worth at least half a million. Also notice the 345K he got for loss of use was actually 310K plus interest.

The biggest problem for this guy in case he intends to sell will be this--> (*).
Assuming he doesn't have the money, then the only solution is to find someone willing to lend him the money to pay the capital gains.
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