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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:58 pm

Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:Thanks for the info Pypro. Any idea who the lawyer was please?


No, none of the newspapers said who he was. However the court also decided for 21K legal expenses in favor of the winner. This sounds too small of a fee considering the value of the properties, therefore he probably isn't one of the big names.
Imagine Achilleas Demetriades the lawyer who won the case of Titina Loizidou Vs Turkey at UCHR, asks for 15K just to write the first letter to UCHR!

Probably it was a TC lawyer, there are still TC lawyers who who speak perfect Greek holding practice license from Roc from the 60s, and do show up in courts sometimes.


It is also very possible that the lawyer took a contingency fee of the award to client at 30%-40%.! :wink:

21K was probably out of pocket expenses and not the legal fees.

But surely when the court awards legal costs, it is all the legal costs, is it not?


If the lawyer is working on a contingency fee for his/her client, then no bills are issued to the client. In order for the lawyer to get his/her legal fees from the court, they would need to present to the court ALL their bills for the case. :wink:

This way it is a win-win for the client and the lawyer(s).

I would do it this way also as a client.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:49 pm

Kikapu wrote:It is also very possible that the lawyer took a contingency fee of the award to client at 30%-40%.! :wink:


Good point, I forgot about that.
Now that Lordo says he found him, lets see how much he will ask.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:08 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:It is also very possible that the lawyer took a contingency fee of the award to client at 30%-40%.! :wink:


Good point, I forgot about that.
Now that Lordo says he found him, lets see how much he will ask.

I have not found the lawyer yet but I have spread the word on both sides to see if anybody has any info on him. I think I have found Mr Dervish on social media and asked him for the lawyers name. In the next few days I will learn the lawyers name one way or another.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:21 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Maximus wrote:
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Maximus wrote:My mother is still waiting to get her property that was stolen by the Turks.

Any comments for all the GC s who had their properties stolen from them too.

They were not citizens of the "TRNC" or Turkey when their property was stolen by the former either, just like this guy.


That's the sad reality, of the Cyprus problem. It's all about theft.
Not only from the TC side but from the GC side as well, (under cover). Properties left behind by TCs will be shared among some GC sharks. Most TCs already got stolen lands worth multiple times more than what they left behind, and what's left was given to settlers... Varoshia will be shared between big TC and Turkish sharks too.
In the meantime GCs non refugees got rich at the expense of GC refugees, while most TCs - refugees or not with the exception of sharks, will one day abandon the place and be replaced by settlers.


“it is unacceptable that we have not been able to resolve the Cyprus issue in the right way for so long, thus maintaining a dangerously frozen conflict in one of our member states, which harms the vital interests of all Cypriot citizens

it doesn't mater who said it but its a nice summation because solving it in the right way would mean Turkey and the TC's would lose the occupation and psuedo state and their designs for a completely bias and discriminatory systm of governance where the GC's are oppressed and treated like 2nd class citizens so the TC's can feel safe.

This is why all this jargon that bordo and his clan come out with related to past opportunities just dont cut it. Because the TC have always been trying to resolve the Cyprus problem in all the wrong ways.


The will of the real TCs has been eroded a)By Denktash holding them in prison up until 2004 (30 years) then by the votes of settlers electing Turkey's puppets like Eroglu and Tatar and c)By Turkey who together with Denktash made sure that their electoral system together with what they did with the GC properties were such, that even if by some miracle some pro solution person like Akinci or Talat comes to power, a solution would still be nearly impossible.
I still beleive we had some hope with Akinci, but unfortunately, Anastasiades the hidden partitionist wolf among us, killed it.
In a nutshell it's not fair to accuse the average TC for the current or past situation, as it is not fair to accuse the average GC.

I can actually understand Lordo's "happiness on hope", and wish him good luck.
Do you know how many GCs passed through the same stage of "happiness on hope"? :wink:

Just to add a further reason why TCs were in enclaves. If it was just Dengtash and the TMT they would never have managed to accomplish it. In the mid sixties, the RoC police would pick up a TC off the street, keep him at the station till midnight and then release him into the street just after they informed the local EOKA man. Naturally there was no transport so the TC would be like a sitting duck and would disappear.

Between end of 1963 and 1968, that situation continued. There are about 500 people missing from each side. TMT also picked up innocents GCs and killed them too.

You cannot attribute the whole TC problem on Dengtash he was not that clever. He had plenty of help from his friends in EOKA. Another reason of course was that the RoC police did not investigate a single killing of a TC or any theft suffered by a TC. A TC's flock would be stolen and the police did nothing. Naturally when a events like that took pace the whole villages emptied because of lack of security. If your livelihood is stolen how would you live. Or your crop is stolen what would you do.

The Cyprus problem is a complicated situation. Both sides have guilt on what went on. Of course both sides blamed the other for the problem. I remember the live broadcast Kizilyurek was taking part in and as soon as he mentioned Murataga, they stopped broadcasting.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:59 am

...do you know that the families of the murdered and missing, all of them Turkish and Greek, have asked (through their Association) for a single monument to be erected so that when mourning together they can rightfully remember that they, the fallen, died as Cypriots, victims of political dogmas fomented by fanatics which were not Cypriot in affect, unlike them.

...something to think about.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:00 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...do you know that the families of the murdered and missing, all of them Turkish and Greek, have asked (through their Association) for a single monument to be erected so that when mourning together they can rightfully remember that they, the fallen, died as Cypriots, victims of political dogmas fomented by fanatics which were not Cypriot in affect, unlike them.

...something to think about.

The day that happens is the point at which first step is taken towards peace. I am afraid those in power today have the same mentality as those who started the Cyprus Problem. Until that nationalist scourge is removed and control of politics and media is prized away from them, it will not happen. This aplies to both sides equally.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:42 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Maximus wrote:My mother is still waiting to get her property that was stolen by the Turks.

Any comments for all the GC s who had their properties stolen from them too.

They were not citizens of the "TRNC" or Turkey when their property was stolen by the former either, just like this guy.


That's the sad reality, of the Cyprus problem. It's all about theft.
Not only from the TC side but from the GC side as well, (under cover). Properties left behind by TCs will be shared among some GC sharks. Most TCs already got stolen lands worth multiple times more than what they left behind, and what's left was given to settlers... Varoshia will be shared between big TC and Turkish sharks too.
In the meantime GCs non refugees got rich at the expense of GC refugees, while most TCs - refugees or not with the exception of sharks, will one day abandon the place and be replaced by settlers.


“it is unacceptable that we have not been able to resolve the Cyprus issue in the right way for so long, thus maintaining a dangerously frozen conflict in one of our member states, which harms the vital interests of all Cypriot citizens

it doesn't mater who said it but its a nice summation because solving it in the right way would mean Turkey and the TC's would lose the occupation and psuedo state and their designs for a completely bias and discriminatory systm of governance where the GC's are oppressed and treated like 2nd class citizens so the TC's can feel safe.

This is why all this jargon that bordo and his clan come out with related to past opportunities just dont cut it. Because the TC have always been trying to resolve the Cyprus problem in all the wrong ways.


The will of the real TCs has been eroded a)By Denktash holding them in prison up until 2004 (30 years) then by the votes of settlers electing Turkey's puppets like Eroglu and Tatar and c)By Turkey who together with Denktash made sure that their electoral system together with what they did with the GC properties were such, that even if by some miracle some pro solution person like Akinci or Talat comes to power, a solution would still be nearly impossible.
I still beleive we had some hope with Akinci, but unfortunately, Anastasiades the hidden partitionist wolf among us, killed it.
In a nutshell it's not fair to accuse the average TC for the current or past situation, as it is not fair to accuse the average GC.

I can actually understand Lordo's "happiness on hope", and wish him good luck.
Do you know how many GCs passed through the same stage of "happiness on hope"? :wink:

Just to add a further reason why TCs were in enclaves. If it was just Dengtash and the TMT they would never have managed to accomplish it. In the mid sixties, the RoC police would pick up a TC off the street, keep him at the station till midnight and then release him into the street just after they informed the local EOKA man. Naturally there was no transport so the TC would be like a sitting duck and would disappear.

Between end of 1963 and 1968, that situation continued. There are about 500 people missing from each side. TMT also picked up innocents GCs and killed them too.

You cannot attribute the whole TC problem on Dengtash he was not that clever. He had plenty of help from his friends in EOKA. Another reason of course was that the RoC police did not investigate a single killing of a TC or any theft suffered by a TC. A TC's flock would be stolen and the police did nothing. Naturally when a events like that took pace the whole villages emptied because of lack of security. If your livelihood is stolen how would you live. Or your crop is stolen what would you do.

The Cyprus problem is a complicated situation. Both sides have guilt on what went on. Of course both sides blamed the other for the problem. I remember the live broadcast Kizilyurek was taking part in and as soon as he mentioned Murataga, they stopped broadcasting.


I don't think anyone in this forum doesn't know what happened in the 60s in both sides.
When I talked how Denktash kept the TCs in prison for 30 years I was referring to the period from 1974 to 2004, at which time the TCs revolted. The point is that TC partitionists prevailed for too long, and while they were in power were ALL doing everything possible to make SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE. Look what this puppet Tatar is doing with Varoshia right now... he is cashing the last card.
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Re: Good bit of news today

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:46 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Maximus wrote:My mother is still waiting to get her property that was stolen by the Turks.

Any comments for all the GC s who had their properties stolen from them too.

They were not citizens of the "TRNC" or Turkey when their property was stolen by the former either, just like this guy.


That's the sad reality, of the Cyprus problem. It's all about theft.
Not only from the TC side but from the GC side as well, (under cover). Properties left behind by TCs will be shared among some GC sharks. Most TCs already got stolen lands worth multiple times more than what they left behind, and what's left was given to settlers... Varoshia will be shared between big TC and Turkish sharks too.
In the meantime GCs non refugees got rich at the expense of GC refugees, while most TCs - refugees or not with the exception of sharks, will one day abandon the place and be replaced by settlers.


“it is unacceptable that we have not been able to resolve the Cyprus issue in the right way for so long, thus maintaining a dangerously frozen conflict in one of our member states, which harms the vital interests of all Cypriot citizens

it doesn't mater who said it but its a nice summation because solving it in the right way would mean Turkey and the TC's would lose the occupation and psuedo state and their designs for a completely bias and discriminatory systm of governance where the GC's are oppressed and treated like 2nd class citizens so the TC's can feel safe.

This is why all this jargon that bordo and his clan come out with related to past opportunities just dont cut it. Because the TC have always been trying to resolve the Cyprus problem in all the wrong ways.


The will of the real TCs has been eroded a)By Denktash holding them in prison up until 2004 (30 years) then by the votes of settlers electing Turkey's puppets like Eroglu and Tatar and c)By Turkey who together with Denktash made sure that their electoral system together with what they did with the GC properties were such, that even if by some miracle some pro solution person like Akinci or Talat comes to power, a solution would still be nearly impossible.
I still beleive we had some hope with Akinci, but unfortunately, Anastasiades the hidden partitionist wolf among us, killed it.
In a nutshell it's not fair to accuse the average TC for the current or past situation, as it is not fair to accuse the average GC.

I can actually understand Lordo's "happiness on hope", and wish him good luck.
Do you know how many GCs passed through the same stage of "happiness on hope"? :wink:

Just to add a further reason why TCs were in enclaves. If it was just Dengtash and the TMT they would never have managed to accomplish it. In the mid sixties, the RoC police would pick up a TC off the street, keep him at the station till midnight and then release him into the street just after they informed the local EOKA man. Naturally there was no transport so the TC would be like a sitting duck and would disappear.

Between end of 1963 and 1968, that situation continued. There are about 500 people missing from each side. TMT also picked up innocents GCs and killed them too.

You cannot attribute the whole TC problem on Dengtash he was not that clever. He had plenty of help from his friends in EOKA. Another reason of course was that the RoC police did not investigate a single killing of a TC or any theft suffered by a TC. A TC's flock would be stolen and the police did nothing. Naturally when a events like that took pace the whole villages emptied because of lack of security. If your livelihood is stolen how would you live. Or your crop is stolen what would you do.

The Cyprus problem is a complicated situation. Both sides have guilt on what went on. Of course both sides blamed the other for the problem. I remember the live broadcast Kizilyurek was taking part in and as soon as he mentioned Murataga, they stopped broadcasting.


I don't think anyone in this forum doesn't know what happened in the 60s in both sides.
When I talked how Denktash kept the TCs in prison for 30 years I was referring to the period from 1974 to 2004, at which time the TCs revolted. The point is that TC partitionists prevailed for too long, and while they were in power were ALL doing everything possible to make SOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE. Look what this puppet Tatar is doing with Varoshia right now... he is cashing the last card.

Currently only one person does not limit the time from 74 to 2004.

There was a recent article pointing out the futility of claiming Varosha is Evgaf land because even if that is true in itself, Evgaf only hold the value of the land as it was a field not it's current value once it is developed. The development of the property belongs to the developer. This was also applied to land taken from GCs in the north and developed since 1974 in the Annan Plan, whcich was approved by the UN and the EU.

Also we have GC Partitionists who do not want an agreement too. This is what Max has got in his head which he refers to as the correct peace plan. What they want is TC as minority rights in a unitary state and that cannot happen now. Perhaps in 50 or 100 years of seeing BBF work, it may be possible.
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