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[zan]

And how do you exactly propose to do that? Akritas? or return to consitution you tried to change yet cling onto so dearly today? Neither will attract unification, do you not realize this?

If you had not collaborated with the colonialists to force on the Cypriot people a constitution where the TC minority was given unfair gains on the loss of all other Cypriots then we wouldn't want to change anything.

What is needed to create an independent and democratic Cyprus with no racist discriminations is as clear today as it was in 1959. The problem is that UK and Turkey with the colaboration of the TC minority did not, and do not, allow Cyprus to have a true independence and a true democracy because they want to keep in Cyprus two separate and conflicting sides which in turn will allow them to control the island and maintain their troops in our country.

Example of why this thread is useless. No mention of what was happening of what happened just prior to this...Just pure propaganda and not a Birkibrisli in sight to stop it...

[Piratis]

What happened prior to the 1960 agreements was the struggle of Cypriots for liberation so they could finally also be part of the free Greek Republic, while the TCs had collaborated with the British. I talked about this in my previous post. Apparently you missed it.

[Viewpoint]

And how do you exactly propose to do that? Akritas? or return to consitution you tried to change yet cling onto so dearly today? Neither will attract unification, do you not realize this?

If you had not collaborated with the colonialists to force on the Cypriot people a constitution where the TC minority was given unfair gains on the loss of all other Cypriots then we wouldn't want to change anything.

What is needed to create an independent and democratic Cyprus with no racist discriminations is as clear today as it was in 1959. The problem is that UK and Turkey with the colaboration of the TC minority did not, and do not, allow Cyprus to have a true independence and a true democracy because they want to keep in Cyprus two separate and conflicting sides which in turn will allow them to control the island and maintain their troops in our country.

The contents of the 1960 constitution was a direct reflection of your past actions and the necessisty not to allow Gc free range to gift Cyprus to Greece, havent you grasped this underlying factor. The TCs, Turkey or the Uk do not trust the GC numerical majority to operate a democractic and human rights abiding country so the only way to ensure that the TCs who would have been the discriminated nad persecuted minoirty had to be protected and hence the elements in the consititution which you so firecly oppose, look at it from your side you opposition tells us that you want to exploit what the consititution is trying to control, this does not make us feel safe or comfortable with unification, please try to see it from this side of the fence.

[Viewpoint]

What happened prior to the 1960 agreements was the struggle of Cypriots for liberation so they could finally also be part of the free Greek Republic, while the TCs had collaborated with the British. I talked about this in my previous post. Apparently you missed it.

Your liberation struggle was tainted with enosis undertones which the TCs opposed and could never accept thats why they had to collaberate with whom ever would stop you from selling them out to Greece.

[zan]

Just so you can see the word Turk had another meaning all together and what the Chinese called us http://forum.wordreference.com/archive/ ... 99832.html : "Tiu-Kiu", Which is what I have known all through my readings. I can't remember the exact translation but it was not a nice name and it was used even after that to mean a bandit of some sorts....Another thing that the great Attaturk did was to calim this word and turn it from the negative to the proud nation of Turks......and thus Turkiye

[zan]

What happened prior to the 1960 agreements was the struggle of Cypriots for liberation so they could finally also be part of the free Greek Republic, while the TCs had collaborated with the British. I talked about this in my previous post. Apparently you missed it.

Your liberation struggle was tainted with enosis undertones which the TCs opposed and could never accept thats why they had to collaberate with whom ever would stop you from selling them out to Greece.

It was not tainted but dictated to by the Megali idea and ENOSIS.....FULL STOP>

[RebelWithoutAPause]

Just so you can see the word Turk had another meaning all together and what the Chinese called us http://forum.wordreference.com/archive/ ... 99832.html : "Tiu-Kiu", Which is what I have known all through my readings. I can't remember the exact translation but it was not a nice name and it was used even after that to mean a bandit of some sorts....Another thing that the great Attaturk did was to calim this word and turn it from the negative to the proud nation of Turks......and thus Turkiye

Thats because the Turks WERE (some can say still are) bandits Zan. Do you not know your own history? Turks would consistantly attack the north of China in 600's / 700's AD and the Turks were known to be very anti-Chinese.

[Piratis]

VP, those agreements gave you things like 30% of the government civil servants positions and many other unfair gains on our loss which not only have nothing to do with your "protection from the evil GCs" but on the contrary they were clear racist discriminations against us.

The British and Turks ruled Cyprus with brute force and no democracy, no human rights and against the will of the great majority of Cypriots for centuries. It is clear that they never cared about democracy and human rights in Cyprus. The only ones who cared about those things were the Cypriot people who have been oppressed by them. Instead of allowing the Cypriot people to finally have the democracy and human rights which have been denied to us for centuries, they again found some lame excuse to deny them from us, because they were the "Good ones" and we were the "Bad ones" because we dared to demand our freedom and our rights.

[zan]

Just so you can see the word Turk had another meaning all together and what the Chinese called us http://forum.wordreference.com/archive/ ... 99832.html : "Tiu-Kiu", Which is what I have known all through my readings. I can't remember the exact translation but it was not a nice name and it was used even after that to mean a bandit of some sorts....Another thing that the great Attaturk did was to calim this word and turn it from the negative to the proud nation of Turks......and thus Turkiye

Thats because the Turks WERE (some can say still are) bandits Zan. Do you not know your own history? Turks would consistantly attack the north of China in 600's / 700's AD and the Turks were known to be very anti-Chinese.

Not my fault you moron.....Thousands of years ago and you would do well to shut up or Alexander might just rear his ugly head......You should also worry your little head on what you did to me on chrismas eve 1963....

[zan]

VP, those agreements gave you things like 30% of the government civil servants positions and many other unfair gains on our loss which not only have nothing to do with your "protection from the evil GCs" but on the contrary they were clear racist discriminations against us.

The British and Turks ruled Cyprus with brute force and no democracy, no human rights and against the will of the great majority of Cypriots for centuries. It is clear that they never cared about democracy and human rights in Cyprus. The only ones who cared about those things were the Cypriot people who have been oppressed by them. Instead of allowing the Cypriot people to finally have the democracy and human rights which have been denied to us for centuries, they again found some lame excuse to deny them from us, because they were the "Good ones" and we were the "Bad ones" because we dared to demand our freedom and our rights.

Taken into account because of your insistence of ENOSIS....Pure and simple.