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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:01 pm

Jery wrote:Erdogan was boasting yesterday that Turkey's tourist business is booming, doesn't he realise that flooding Europe with immigrants will not go down well with potential European tourists, he could be shooting himself in the foot! His actions could also trigger revenge attacks by Kurds and local dissidents at popular resorts. Turkey is turning into a rogue state, Erdogan will overplay his hand and will fall like Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and Mubarak.

If there are any Coronavirus patients in Turkey, don’t expect the Turks to admit to it so not to damage their tourism industry.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Turkey is trying to send some Coronavirus infected people to the EU.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby B25 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:21 pm

Maximus wrote:His days are numbered.


Be careful Maxi, otherwise you will feel the wrath of Erolz, claiming all sorts of shit about this or that. :)
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:00 am

Jery wrote:Erdogan was boasting yesterday that Turkey's tourist business is booming, doesn't he realise that flooding Europe with immigrants will not go down well with potential European tourists, he could be shooting himself in the foot! His actions could also trigger revenge attacks by Kurds and local dissidents at popular resorts. Turkey is turning into a rogue state, Erdogan will overplay his hand and will fall like Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and Mubarak.


The sad part about it is that the average European tourist doesn't give a f¤¤k as long as their all-inclusive hotel is a bargain. It has become too easy for their industry to make affordable packages after the lira hit rock bottom
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Kikapu » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:17 am

Turkey has downed 3 Syrian fighter jets today along destroying bunch of military targets, and yet not one word about any Turkish soldiers casualties. Generally when the news is bad, there is a long delay before facts are released to the Turks. The least bad news for Turks, it is released right away. I am expecting bad news for Turks tomorrow on the number of military casualties of the Turks.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Londonrake » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:09 am

Syria war: Turkish drone strikes 'kill 19 Syrian soldiers' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51701069

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Londonrake » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:02 am

DT (paywalled) article:

Thousands of asylum seekers ferried to EU border as pawns in Turkey's 'political game'

Migrants in Turkey were told the border had been opened, but arrived at the EU frontier to find armed guards and tear gas.

Thousands of migrants were trapped on Saturday in a squalid no-man's-land beyond Turkey's border with Greece, as the realisation dawned on them that they had become pawns in a political stunt hatched by the Turkish government.

Huddled crowds from Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Syria gathered on a narrow road that sits between Turkish and Greek territory, their path to Europe blocked by razor wire and armed EU border guards.

Less than 24 hours ago, many believed their prayers had been answered when the Turkish government announced it was opening its side of the border and laid on a fleet of unmarked, white buses to ferry migrants to its frontier with Greece.

Now they are stuck in freezing temperatures with little food or water, resorting to pulling down tree branches for firewood and erecting makeshift tents, as it becomes clear that the path to Europe has been tightly sealed.

Just yards away from angry confrontations between migrants and border guards, children no older than four or five, who were wrapped up in coats and wooly hats, ran around in the mud.

A Greek government spokesman described the wave of migration as an "onslaught," adding that it would "do whatever it takes to protect its borders." And in Austria, Chancellor Sebastian Kurz hinted at border closures in the event that Greece failed to keep the crowds at bay.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkey's president, has long threatened to let refugees into Europe if they don't meet his demands. His latest move marks the most serious escalation in his attempts to secure more help from Europe and Nato in tackling the refugee crisis in Syria, where almost a million have fled war in Idlib province in recent weeks.

In a speech on Saturday Mr Erdoğan, Turkey's president, claimed that 18,000 people had amassed on the border and threatened to send a further 30,000.

But in reality the number of people gathered at the main crossing, near the Turkish city of Edirne, appeared no higher than 5,000, while in nearby Ipsala a Turkish police officer said around 500 people had arrived.

In what may soon become a sprawling refugee camp unless the crowds are dispersed by Turkish forces, women and children huddled around fires, masking their faces from the smoke.

Rumours swirled at the border on Saturday about Turkish authorities transporting most of the migrants back to Istanbul at the end of the weekend, should Mr Erdogan feel his point has been made.

The majority of those gathered in Edirne were young men, who angrily shouted at the Greek soldiers guarding their side of the border, behind a barbed-wire fence that stretched as far as the eye could see in each direction.

Further south, dozens of migrants were attempting sea crossings to the Greek island of Lesbos in dinghies, with limited success.

Some migrants claimed they had been beaten by Greek police, and that in at least one incident those who tried to cross into the EU had their shoes confiscated.

Others told the Sunday Telegraph of their devastation as they realised they had been duped were now trapped at the border, Many who were unable to board free buses have resorted to paying taxi drivers around 100 lira (£12) and claim they are now out of money.

Some migrants rode in on the back of pickup trucks driven by locals hoping to make some easy cash. Meanwhile, a group of taxi drivers bartered with migrants at a crossing near the Turkish town of Ipsala for transport back to Istanbul, after they gave up on entering Europe.

Abdullah, an 18-year-old Afghan who came to Turkey with his five siblings six months ago, said they felt their hearts leap as they were waved across the Turkish side of the border, only to be greeted with barbed wire, soldiers and tear gas at the Greek side.

"We are devastated...we haven't even tried to cross again because we are too scared. One group today came back without any shoes, cell phones or bags. They were confiscated by the Greek police," he said.

"They lied to us, they said we could leave and now we are trapped here. We just want to go back to Ankara now but we don't have the money. I have no idea what to do."

One Iranian refugee who said he was fleeing the theocracy in Tehran accused Mr Erdogan of ensuring him and his friends in a cruel "political game," while two women from Somalia said they were ready to go back to Istanbul.

Most of the people gathered at the border did not appear to have arrived from Syria's war-torn Idlib province, as they said they had already lived in Turkey without social security or ID cards for more than a year.

"We have been waiting for four years for this chance and now we are stuck here because the other side is closed," added an 18-year-old from Kabul who gave his name as Hourshid.

"We have jobs in Turkey but we left them to come here. Now I guess we have to go back."

Since 2016, under the terms of the EU-Turkey migration deal, Ankara has been halting refugee flows towards the EU, which in turn agreed to give Turkey €3billion (£2.3 billion) and visa-free travel for Turkish citizens.

Josep Borrell Fontelles, the EU's foreign policy chief, has said that the Turkish government has offered “reassurances” that Turkey intends to continue abiding by that agreement, even though its side of the border has been thrown open.

As groups continued to arrive at Edirne on Saturday evening, Turkey continued to pile pressure on Western leaders for more military support on Syria and used the threat of more migration waves into Europe as a key bargaining chip.

Mevlut Cavusoglu, the Turkish foreign minister, said the government has urged the United States to provide Patriot missiles as backup in northwestern Syria, following Syrian regime airstrikes this month which killed 55 Turkish soldiers.

The Turkish president also called on Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, to step aside in Syria and allow Turkish forces to battle the Syrian regime alone.

As night fell on Edirne, yet more migrants began to realise they had been duped as part of a cynical geopolitical game.

As they trudged back through no-man's-land, they passed the sign in Turkish which had greeted them 24 hours earlier, when they were filled with false hope of safe passage to Europe.

"Turkey's border is its honour," the sign says."
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Jery » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:57 am

CrookedRiverGuy wrote:
Jery wrote:Erdogan was boasting yesterday that Turkey's tourist business is booming, doesn't he realise that flooding Europe with immigrants will not go down well with potential European tourists, he could be shooting himself in the foot! His actions could also trigger revenge attacks by Kurds and local dissidents at popular resorts. Turkey is turning into a rogue state, Erdogan will overplay his hand and will fall like Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and Mubarak.


The sad part about it is that the average European tourist doesn't give a f¤¤k as long as their all-inclusive hotel is a bargain. It has become too easy for their industry to make affordable packages after the lira hit rock bottom


Russians, Germans and Bulgarians make up the largest individual sources of tourists into Turkey. The Russians are fighting a proxy war in Syria, the Germans already let huge numbers of immigrants into their country and Bulgaria is on the front line. In the UK readers of the Sun and Daily Mail will see Turkey and armed conflict in the same sentence and book their holidays elsewhere, most of them could not find Turkey on a map if you asked them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_i ... r_arrivals
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:09 pm

This is all going to back fire on Erdogan,

Some of the migrants are starting to realise that they are being used as pawns in a political game.. Some probably shouldnt even be in that country anyway, They are undocumented chancers trying to get to the 'promised' land. Naturally, the refugees think they have a right to enter Europe even though they are in a safe country

The real refugees are fewer in comparison, but they are still in a safe country. But Turkey is now rogue, not adherring to any international laws or diplomatic / reasonable conduct.

Erdogan is to blame for prolonging this war and invading Syria. There are no longer 'rebels' in idlib, they are foreign drafted jihadi fighters on Ankara's, payroll. His regime needs to be dismantled and the Turks should be doing that instead of creating problems with their neighbors.

The average European is throwing their weight and support behind Greece. They see the economic and social disaster that would be bestowed on their countries from experience. What we are experiencing here is a non military invasion of Europe. It seems that Erdogan is leading the charge and funneling the islamic hordes in to the EU. He has turned Turkey in to a dark tunnel for passage from the middle east. He also wants his deluded 'pious generations' to have visa free travel.

Expect Europe to become more right wing. Left leaning governments are going to be history for the foreseeable future.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Kikapu » Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:27 pm

Maximus wrote:This is all going to back fire on Erdogan,

Some of the migrants are starting to realise that they are being used as pawns in a political game.. Some probably shouldnt even be in that country anyway, They are undocumented chancers trying to get to the 'promised' land. Naturally, the refugees think they have a right to enter Europe even though they are in a safe country

The real refugees are fewer in comparison, but they are still in a safe country. But Turkey is now rogue, not adherring to any international laws or diplomatic / reasonable conduct.

Erdogan is to blame for prolonging this war and invading Syria. There are no longer 'rebels' in idlib, they are foreign drafted jihadi fighters on Ankara's, payroll. His regime needs to be dismantled and the Turks should be doing that instead of creating problems with their neighbors.

The average European is throwing their weight and support behind Greece. They see the economic and social disaster that would be bestowed on their countries from experience.

Expect Europe to become more right wing. Left leaning governments are going to be history for the foreseeable future.


Erdogan creates the rise of right wing parties as well of rise of Islamophobia through his actions and then he complains about these same groups. Talk of about scoring an own goal! :D
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Maximus » Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:32 pm

Thats true but the left wing are completely out of touch with reality too, which doesnt help them.

They have become too radical in their thinking and dont have good policies to be in government.

its like all left wingers have become radical fringe parties that just protest and try to turn the world upside down.

Those that arent and have reached their limits are joining the right.
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