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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:19 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:No not at all!

There is no reason or motive for them "pissing on people"!

Also if the Yanks did shoot it down, MH370 was still thousands of miles from its flight course so a very easy action to defend in front of international public opinion.

A lot of people are working hard to provide the physical evidence for some to have closure once and for all.

There is a USN Ship on the scene which specializes in finding the Black Box. As a result they are interested in the actual spot of the crash and not where the debris has drifted to or has been detected by Satellites.

I wouldn't listen to the media too much because day after day they just come up with total rubbish.


Paphitis, when you made the following statement in your previous post, it made a good point, but then again, the Russians shot down the South Korean 747 jetliner few years back in the same fashion, therefore, we cannot take it as given, that a jetliner at 35,000 at full speed will not be shot down.

Paphitis wrote:Secondly, they would not shoot it down unless the aircraft posed a threat and being at 35000FT does not pose an immediate threat!


But now comes an interesting statement about the MH370 flying "too fast" which caused the plane to use too much fuel, therefore the plane crashed 685 miles short of where they have been looking for the last week or so. But the plane could not have been flying that much faster at 35,000 ft to have used up too much fuel than normal, but the plane could have used a hell of a lot more fuel flying very low altitude at 500 mph in trying to avoid detection, and who is to say the plane did not fly very low at very high speed close to the U.S. base of Diego Garcia? Could this cause the Americans to have shot the plane down when no one responded from the flight deck as to what their intentions were? Therefore, your assumption of MH370 flying at 35,00ft once contact was lost has become very questionable now, wouldn't you agree?


Kikapu,

If the Americans shot it down it would have been a deliberate action and they would just come out and say that they had to shoot it down because MH370 was hijacked and not responding to calls. Very difficult to argue against that although some non serious sections of society would be outraged.

However, that is not reason enough in reality because at 35000FT they would not be so trigger happy. It's not something any country will take lightly.

There is no evidence whatsoever that MH370 was shot down and it is not a possibility that is entertained by any country. Would have been convenient for the Americans to blame North Korea or Al Qaeda terrorists but they are not considering that either.

As to your next question, there are a number of factors that effect your Fuel Burn. One of these factors is speed. There are typically 5 normal configurations in the cruise. M0.76, 0.78, 0.80, 0.82, and 0.84. Best Endurance is at 0.74 and max operating is 0.90.

I don't know what speed he was flying but anything more than 0.80 would increase Fuel Burn and reduce range.

At 0.84 at 36000, the burn is 3500 kg/eng. At 0.78, the burn is about 10% less for a small speed penalty.

Another factor that increases Fuel Burn is Drag. When you increase your speed you also increase Lift and because of this you also increased Induced Drag which is a coefficient of Lift. You also increase Form and Parasite Drag, therefore increased Fuel Burn.


How about fuel burn rate at very high speed at very low elevation?


Even worse. MH370 had altitude in its favour if it was at 35000FT.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Oh look someone from one of the most credible Greek newspapers says "Paphian nonsense" again. Article dated 27/3/14

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…along the South Indian Ocean theoretically approaching the airspace of the U.S. base of Diego Garcia, the most likely scenario is tragic: it is quite possible to have been shot down by U.S. fighter jets! The military logic allows no hesitations in such cases!
It is impossible however, for a passenger plane to fly off course for six hours and not been framed by US or other warplanes to see what happens. And force it to land where they indicate, or disolve it ruthlessly if it refuses to comply.

http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid= ... d=63979842

Could this be the reason why the Malaysian PM went on to declare the plane crashed and everybody dead, before a single piece of debris was collected and verified. Because he was explained and assured of the "crime"?


Actually you are all wrong because there is no such thing as "military logic". To shoot it down they need permission probably from the President.

Secondly, they would not shoot it down unless the aircraft posed a threat and being at 35000FT does not pose an immediate threat!

Thirdly, there was no equipment at Diego Garcia and there is usually no reason to base squadrons in the middle of the Indian Ocean. The entire facility has a permanent detachment of about 100 personnel.

Additionally, another 300 objects have been detected this time by the Thai Space Agency!


You such an empty headed that you did not even notice it was a quote from ethnos.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:28 pm

OK great news! 5 out of the 10 aircraft have reported seeing multiple objects within the debris field.

Looks like MH370 has been found. :D
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:31 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Oh look someone from one of the most credible Greek newspapers says "Paphian nonsense" again. Article dated 27/3/14

Quote:
…along the South Indian Ocean theoretically approaching the airspace of the U.S. base of Diego Garcia, the most likely scenario is tragic: it is quite possible to have been shot down by U.S. fighter jets! The military logic allows no hesitations in such cases!
It is impossible however, for a passenger plane to fly off course for six hours and not been framed by US or other warplanes to see what happens. And force it to land where they indicate, or disolve it ruthlessly if it refuses to comply.

http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid= ... d=63979842

Could this be the reason why the Malaysian PM went on to declare the plane crashed and everybody dead, before a single piece of debris was collected and verified. Because he was explained and assured of the "crime"?


I want to know what had happened to that one piece of debris that was 12m x 24m (40ft x 78ft) that the Australian satellites spotted few days ago. Are they still tracking it or have they actually seen it up and close with human eyes yet? I mean, that's almost a half a plane right there, so where is it? :roll:

Perhaps it finally sank after floating for two weeks! :wink:


No one really knows but some debris was actually spotted by Australian and Chinese aircraft and they did spot some large objects of rectangular shape. The Australian Orion even marked the area but unfortunately the search was suspended and HMAS Success had to leave the area.


We do follow the news too you know.You added nothing more with this reply, other than a confirmation that either you didn't understand what Kikapu meant, or you don't want to understand, or you refuse to accept it as a fact.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:33 pm

Paphitis wrote:OK great news! 5 out of the 10 aircraft have reported seeing multiple objects within the debris field.

Looks like MH370 has been found. :D


Finally!! Let's have a look at it :wink:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:38 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:OK great news! 5 out of the 10 aircraft have reported seeing multiple objects within the debris field.

Looks like MH370 has been found. :D


Finally!! Let's have a look at it :wink:


Don't you worry. There are probably hundreds of photos by now and AMSA knows its MH370 but they will not reveal any photos or admit it until they have physically retrieved some objects.

In good time, when they have retrieved MH370 fragments they will also release photos and there can never be any doubt.

Australians are far too smart to botch this up and make stupid mistakes or entertain some of the stupidity! :D
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:00 pm

I notice there is a Chinese ship there too.
Now assuming the Chinese ship manages to collect some debris, and assuming on first look they have reasons to believe it's from the aircraft what would they do with them?
Pass it on to the Australians, or hide it down the hold and take them back to China for their own examination? :wink:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:14 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:I notice there is a Chinese ship there too.
Now assuming the Chinese ship manages to collect some debris, and assuming on first look they have reasons to believe it's from the aircraft what would they do with them?
Pass it on to the Australians, or hide it down the hold and take them back to China for their own examination? :wink:


The search is led by Australia and the search area is within Australia's SAR zone. The Chinese are working with AMSA and other countries. The Chinese would have to hand all debris to the Australians which will take the debris to Perth for Air Crash Investigators to analyze.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:24 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I notice there is a Chinese ship there too.
Now assuming the Chinese ship manages to collect some debris, and assuming on first look they have reasons to believe it's from the aircraft what would they do with them?
Pass it on to the Australians, or hide it down the hold and take them back to China for their own examination? :wink:


The search is led by Australia and the search area is within Australia's SAR zone. The Chinese are working with AMSA and other countries. The Chinese would have to hand all debris to the Australians which will take the debris to Perth for Air Crash Investigators to analyze.


Do you mean the Australians will issue a search warrant inside the Chinese ship before it sails back to China from the middle of the Ocean that it currently is? :lol:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:26 pm

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-2 ... uddle.html

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The Inmarsat teams, meeting in the glass-coated company headquarters that borders London’s financial district, also used Boeing data on aircraft performance to see where the Doppler effect would result in a pattern that matched the data from Flight 370, McLaughlin said. Boeing declined to comment.

The team’s "eureka moment" came over the weekend, McLaughlin said. To validate its approach, the team shared its findings with engineers familiar with satellites as a form of scientific peer review. He declined to identify the company.
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