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[Paphitis]

I notice there is a Chinese ship there too.
Now assuming the Chinese ship manages to collect some debris, and assuming on first look they have reasons to believe it's from the aircraft what would they do with them?
Pass it on to the Australians, or hide it down the hold and take them back to China for their own examination?

The search is led by Australia and the search area is within Australia's SAR zone. The Chinese are working with AMSA and other countries. The Chinese would have to hand all debris to the Australians which will take the debris to Perth for Air Crash Investigators to analyze.

Do you mean the Australians will issue a search warrant inside the Chinese ship before it sails back to China from the middle of the Ocean that it currently is?

The Chinese would never pull such a stunt because it would cause a major incident. I don't think the Chinese have any ambition to disrupt any investigations.

The Chinese are in fact cooperating very well with other countries including AMSA which lead the search operations.

I don't think it would be necessary to search the Chinese Ship because there is 100% trust between the countries and the Chinese Government would be briefed by Australia with all the information they currently have.

China has been a big contributor to the search effort.

[Pyrpolizer]

The new information from the media is that the Cockpit Voice recorder can store data only for the last 2 hours whereas the Flight Data recorder can store 88 parameters of the flight for several hours.
Imaging ever finding the black box to eventually hear nothing but total silence

[Pyrpolizer]

I thought of checking my views posted here
cyprus41865-200.html#p783479
in some more elaborate forums.
I was very pleased to discover that Professors from all around the world started thinking about the matter, and obviously one of the very first questions was how the Inmarsat satellites recorded the frequency of the original electromagnetic wave.

What do you think happened?
Well in each and every forum I logged in there popped someone saying he is a satellite Engineer telling everybody

The communications system in question is likely based on TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access). While I have not worked with Inmarsat systems, all the other satcom systems I have worked with log each connection, and various pieces of information regarding the connection. One of these parameters that is logged is the frequency offset (ie the difference between the expected and actual frequency). This is useful from a troubleshooting perspective as it allows you to spot transmitter and receiver components that are drifting out of specification. Some of the more advanced satellite systems (iDirect) will actually log the geographic coordinates of the uplink site, as this plays into the timing requirements for the network. Unfortunately, Inmarsat isn't this aggressive with their timing, so time of flight isn't an issue).

Coincidence??

Scientists then tried everything they could, discovered that the Inmarsat satellites wobble in an 8 shape manner over 24 hours, any calculations were actually impossible even if they had the Doppler shift, while the reason why the 4 first data points (that should theoretically be the most accurate) don’t match at all, is totally unknown

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/up ... -MH370.jpg

[Pyrpolizer]

Looking at the work the other professors presented (really dreadfully more advanced than mine but hey I can be excused because Physics is not what I studied) I have no doubt that Professor Jayson Taylor would add even more depth and more accurate analysis. If you want to know at what depth just read his last sentence.
Yet he refused to participate for the same reason i kept on shouting in this forum.(were's the data i.e)
Here's what he said on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/jasontaylor777 ... 7479552158

Nobody likes getting stale data and news, but that is what is going on with MH370. Who owns the MH370 data? Why isn’t it Creative Commons or copyleft? Is it right that the data be horded by MAS or the other dozen or so entities involved, with tiny fragments of it sporadically spoon fed to the public? Why aren’t the families' lawyers asking judges for subpoenas of all flight data? I’m glad one entity has finally started to demand it, and don't see the need for any secrecy here.

P.S. I don't follow this Doppler stuff, so I'd like to see that data too. Most receivers I know about can't store small frequency shifts like that. It just weakens the signal amplitude. Don't let this get over your head. You know this too. Incidentally, most of the velocity has to be transverse, which is an extra factor of beta/2=v/(2c) down and can be ignored. (It's from time dilation in special relativity.)

Of course we 've had that satellite Engineer telling us all that stuff I posted before.

[Pyrpolizer]

One of the most fascinating aspects of the search is how China is showing its military capabilities to the world.

Five Chinese ships were heading to the new search area in the Indian Ocean today.

Five military ships!!!
And they will for sure deliver all their findings to the Australians, because they are so kind and cooperative. And would have no reason to do otherwise. Just like Paphitis said.

[Paphitis]

The new information from the media is that the Cockpit Voice recorder can store data only for the last 2 hours whereas the Flight Data recorder can store 88 parameters of the flight for several hours.
Imaging ever finding the black box to eventually hear nothing but total silence

Yes it is true that the CVR only records the final 2 hours. I doubt it will be silent though if there were people in the cockpit. Someone would surely be saying something just before impact so that will tell the investigators who was in the cockpit if anyone.

The big one is the Cockpit Data Recorder and that records every little bit of Flight and Engine Instrument Data, including information about all systems such as Transponders and ADS-B. This is the one the investigators would want most of all.

[Paphitis]

One of the most fascinating aspects of the search is how China is showing its military capabilities to the world.

Five Chinese ships were heading to the new search area in the Indian Ocean today.

Five military ships!!!
And they will for sure deliver all their findings to the Australians, because they are so kind and cooperative. And would have no reason to do otherwise. Just like Paphitis said.

There are also 2 Australian Warships in the area, 1 American and 1 British.

Australia now has a Guided Missile Frigate (HMAS Toowoomba) so there is some firepower available as well.

Yes of course they would cooperate with Australians because you should know that Australian and Chinese relations are extremely close and healthy!

[Pyrpolizer]

One of the most fascinating aspects of the search is how China is showing its military capabilities to the world.

Five Chinese ships were heading to the new search area in the Indian Ocean today.

Five military ships!!!
And they will for sure deliver all their findings to the Australians, because they are so kind and cooperative. And would have no reason to do otherwise. Just like Paphitis said.

There are also 2 Australian Warships in the area, 1 American and 1 British.

Australia now has a Guided Missile Frigate (HMAS Toowoomba) so there is some firepower available as well.

Yes of course they would cooperate with Australians because you should know that Australian and Chinese relations are extremely close and healthy!

Of course. Or else they will fire at them right?

[Paphitis]

Looking at the work the other professors presented (really dreadfully more advanced than mine but hey I can be excused because Physics is not what I studied) I have no doubt that Professor Jayson Taylor would add even more depth and more accurate analysis. If you want to know at what depth just read his last sentence.
Yet he refused to participate for the same reason i kept on shouting in this forum.(were's the data i.e)
Here's what he said on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/jasontaylor777 ... 7479552158

Nobody likes getting stale data and news, but that is what is going on with MH370. Who owns the MH370 data? Why isn’t it Creative Commons or copyleft? Is it right that the data be horded by MAS or the other dozen or so entities involved, with tiny fragments of it sporadically spoon fed to the public? Why aren’t the families' lawyers asking judges for subpoenas of all flight data? I’m glad one entity has finally started to demand it, and don't see the need for any secrecy here.

P.S. I don't follow this Doppler stuff, so I'd like to see that data too. Most receivers I know about can't store small frequency shifts like that. It just weakens the signal amplitude. Don't let this get over your head. You know this too. Incidentally, most of the velocity has to be transverse, which is an extra factor of beta/2=v/(2c) down and can be ignored. (It's from time dilation in special relativity.)

Of course we 've had that satellite Engineer telling us all that stuff I posted before.

Is that right!

Inmarsat have released the data and it has not been challenged by any serious "academic" or physics professor.

In fact, Boeing and Airbus have also confirmed the findings.

Inmarsat was only within coverage of 1 Satellite which is not surprising die to the remoteness of the area. Inmarsat analysed the Doppler Shift of the pings of MH370 and it moved away or towards the Satellite and compared this to other aircraft thus being able to define an approximate position.

To work out which direction was taken by flight MH370, Inmarsat, working with the UK’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB), says it used some clever analysis of the Doppler effect. The Doppler effect describes the change in frequency (the Doppler shift) as a sound/light/radio source travels towards the listener, and then again as it moves away. The most common example is the change in frequency of a police or fire truck siren as it passes you. Radio waves, such as the pings transmitted by flight MH370, are also subject to the Doppler effect.

Basically, Inmarsat 4-F1′s longitude wobbles slightly during its orbit. This wobble, if you know what you’re looking for, creates enough variation in the Doppler shift that objects moving and north and south have slightly different frequencies. (If it didn’t wobble, the Doppler shift would be identical for both routes.) Inmarsat says that it looked at the satellite pings of other flights that have taken similar paths, and confirmed that the Doppler shift measurements for MH370′s pings show an “extraordinary matching” for the southern projected arc over the Indian Ocean. ”By yesterday [we] were able to definitively say that the plane had undoubtedly taken the southern route,” said Inmarsat’s Chris McLaughlin.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1791 ... -the-plane

[Paphitis]

One of the most fascinating aspects of the search is how China is showing its military capabilities to the world.

Five Chinese ships were heading to the new search area in the Indian Ocean today.

Five military ships!!!
And they will for sure deliver all their findings to the Australians, because they are so kind and cooperative. And would have no reason to do otherwise. Just like Paphitis said.

There are also 2 Australian Warships in the area, 1 American and 1 British.

Australia now has a Guided Missile Frigate (HMAS Toowoomba) so there is some firepower available as well.

Yes of course they would cooperate with Australians because you should know that Australian and Chinese relations are extremely close and healthy!

Of course. Or else they will fire at them right?

God Pyro you are such an IDIOT! Sorry!

I don't think it would ever be necessary to fire at any Chinese Ship but you were the one talking about them showcasing their military might. The country that has some firepower on the scene is Australia.

Furthermore, the Chinese are FULLY cooperative and working very well with the Australian Authorities. I have not heard of ANY complaints so far. The Australians actually value China's contribution throughout this saga as much as any other country.