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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 20, 2020 1:17 pm

Oh and I can also make my emails that I send to people self delete after a prescribed time period without the recipient knowing it.

No Clintongate at my end.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 20, 2020 1:36 pm

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Paphitis wrote:You are very lucky that I actually installed it onto my computer. I run a very lean and fast daily driver and I don’t install software for the hell of it.

I don’t even run any virus software anymore.

Your software is so @safe” or controlled, it ceases to be functional and it takes away the enjoyment from the internet.

Your software isn’t for Alpha Makes. It’s more suited to pensioners and the elderly who will only check a recipe for muffins, or the weather to see when they got to fertilise their rose patch.

It’s anyone’s guess what your O/S is like Paphitis...

It’s not uncommon for non-technical people to be using a guest account all their lives without even knowing it, and/or be running under the default User Account Control (UAC) settings, and so forth.

The list of hindrances that such people live with, are many but they don’t even notice because they know no better.

It’s like a toddler who grows up never removing the training wheels from his bike because that’s all he knows and is used to them now!

:)


So Get Real, do you want to learn how to be really secure or not? :lol:

Only 99.99 Euros for you buddy. A real love job. :lol:
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Get Real! » Wed May 20, 2020 1:41 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:You are very lucky that I actually installed it onto my computer. I run a very lean and fast daily driver and I don’t install software for the hell of it.

I don’t even run any virus software anymore.

Your software is so @safe” or controlled, it ceases to be functional and it takes away the enjoyment from the internet.

Your software isn’t for Alpha Makes. It’s more suited to pensioners and the elderly who will only check a recipe for muffins, or the weather to see when they got to fertilise their rose patch.

It’s anyone’s guess what your O/S is like Paphitis...

It’s not uncommon for non-technical people to be using a guest account all their lives without even knowing it, and/or be running under the default User Account Control (UAC) settings, and so forth.

The list of hindrances that such people live with, are many but they don’t even notice because they know no better.

It’s like a toddler who grows up never removing the training wheels from his bike because that’s all he knows and is used to them now!

:)


So Get Real, do you want to learn how to be really secure or not? :lol:

Only 99.99 Euros for you buddy. A real love job. :lol:

So does your Garibaldi browser pass this test?

https://mathiasbynens.github.io/rel-noopener/

The Classic is a champ straight out the box! 8)
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 20, 2020 1:46 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:You are very lucky that I actually installed it onto my computer. I run a very lean and fast daily driver and I don’t install software for the hell of it.

I don’t even run any virus software anymore.

Your software is so @safe” or controlled, it ceases to be functional and it takes away the enjoyment from the internet.

Your software isn’t for Alpha Makes. It’s more suited to pensioners and the elderly who will only check a recipe for muffins, or the weather to see when they got to fertilise their rose patch.

It’s anyone’s guess what your O/S is like Paphitis...

It’s not uncommon for non-technical people to be using a guest account all their lives without even knowing it, and/or be running under the default User Account Control (UAC) settings, and so forth.

The list of hindrances that such people live with, are many but they don’t even notice because they know no better.

It’s like a toddler who grows up never removing the training wheels from his bike because that’s all he knows and is used to them now!

:)


So Get Real, do you want to learn how to be really secure or not? :lol:

Only 99.99 Euros for you buddy. A real love job. :lol:

So does your Garibaldi browser pass this test?

https://mathiasbynens.github.io/rel-noopener/

The Classic is a champ straight out the box! 8)


Oh dear Get Real. I have 3 browsers that I use - each one for different purposes. They are Mozilla, Vivaldi and Brave. I have 2 end to end encrypted email accounts, again, each for different things. Usually Social media and Google Services are restricted to Vivaldi.

I have compartmentalized my online existence. That means, no Google services on Brave.

Sorry, but I didn't hit any of those links. I won't click on strange looking links like that because I don't use an anti virus at all.

One of these days Get Real, I am just gonna have to teach you how it's done.

I mean seriously, you have made a big effort with your browser, but you have just restricted Google services by default so you don't get those blue pill adverts. :lol:

But here is the thing. You can still stop them from getting your data, and still use their services when you want to and on YOUR terms, so you can also enjoy the services they offer which are quite good and handy at times.

It's like all those people who say they don't do facebook or Twitter because they mine your data. Yes of course they will mine your data, if you give them the data to mine in the first place. You choose what you want to give. And if you like, they don't have to give them anything.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Get Real! » Wed May 20, 2020 2:04 pm

Paphitis wrote:I have compartmentalized my online existence.

:? Yes, that's when you started getting your head stuck in ZIP files...

Paphitis wrote:Sorry, but I didn't hit any of those links. I won't click on strange looking links like that because I don't use an anti virus at all.

That was done by a programmer to prove a point... if you fail the test that guy's page will have a scribbled message in red written on it. So don't worry about dying from this... :)

Paphitis wrote:One of these days Get Real, I am just gonna have to teach you how it's done.

:? Master, is that you? :lol:
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Wed May 20, 2020 2:05 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:And I am a lot more technical than you are my friend. Your computers are like a piddle in the park for me. If I have the time, I can dissect everything very precisely.


Have you started taking Hydroxychloroquine yet ?

Paphitis wrote:I am so pedantic about everything and my security right down to my emails which are encrypted end to end.


No they are not. I would know this is bollocks generically for such could only work if everyone who ever received an email from you was using the same end to end encryption and they are not. But you then go on to prove it is bollocks and you do not understand the very terms you throw around when you say

Paphitis wrote:I can even lock my sent emails to the recipient where they can only unlock the key by knowing the password.


If all you emails were encrypted end to end then by definition the recipient could not read them without having the necessary key at their end. The vast majority of security breaches (physical and virtual) happen because people do silly and stupid things because they are ignorant of risks whilst thinking they know it all. Hubris is not secure. On this score you are a walking security hazard.


Wrong!

I can encrypt my email and I can prove it to you by sending you an email that is completely encrypted with its own special key that I have.


Yes you can encrypt a single email and send to to someone who already has the means to decrypt it. But you claimed your emails are encrypted end to end , generically. They are not. When you send an email to amzon it is not encrypted end to end and if you were to try and force Amazon to implement a means where by they could decrpyt your emails they would ignore you.

Paphitis wrote:In order for you to open that email, I need to text or signal you the key! Normally, when you go to such lengths to secure your data, you got to send the key with end to end encryption as well, which means not SMS.

I have been doing that for years. Especially when getting in touch with family on deployment.


Exactly which is why your original claim "I am so pedantic about everything and my security right down to my emails which are encrypted end to end." is patent nonsense. I doubt that even more than .5% of all emails you have sent or will ever send have been so encrypted.

Paphitis wrote:Oh and I can also make my emails that I send to people self delete after a prescribed time period without the recipient knowing it.


No you can not you just think you can which is not the same thing. Sure you could do so if the end party first agrees to use such a system at their end and does not just take a copy of the email before it is deleted butt that is hardly 'without them even knowing'. Go on send me an email that will delete itself within an hour of me receiving it without me knowing and a week later I will quote it back to you verbatim. There can be no security in hubris, in thinking you know more than you actually do. Humility is the corner stone of good security and you do not have this necessary trait.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 20, 2020 2:22 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:And I am a lot more technical than you are my friend. Your computers are like a piddle in the park for me. If I have the time, I can dissect everything very precisely.


Have you started taking Hydroxychloroquine yet ?

Paphitis wrote:I am so pedantic about everything and my security right down to my emails which are encrypted end to end.


No they are not. I would know this is bollocks generically for such could only work if everyone who ever received an email from you was using the same end to end encryption and they are not. But you then go on to prove it is bollocks and you do not understand the very terms you throw around when you say

Paphitis wrote:I can even lock my sent emails to the recipient where they can only unlock the key by knowing the password.


If all you emails were encrypted end to end then by definition the recipient could not read them without having the necessary key at their end. The vast majority of security breaches (physical and virtual) happen because people do silly and stupid things because they are ignorant of risks whilst thinking they know it all. Hubris is not secure. On this score you are a walking security hazard.


Wrong!

I can encrypt my email and I can prove it to you by sending you an email that is completely encrypted with its own special key that I have.


Yes you can encrypt a single email and send to to someone who already has the means to decrypt it. But you claimed your emails are encrypted end to end , generically. They are not. When you send an email to amzon it is not encrypted end to end and if you were to try and force Amazon to implement a means where by they could decrpyt your emails they would ignore you.

Paphitis wrote:In order for you to open that email, I need to text or signal you the key! Normally, when you go to such lengths to secure your data, you got to send the key with end to end encryption as well, which means not SMS.

I have been doing that for years. Especially when getting in touch with family on deployment.


Exactly which is why your original claim "I am so pedantic about everything and my security right down to my emails which are encrypted end to end." is patent nonsense. I doubt that even more than .5% of all emails you have sent or will ever send have been so encrypted.

Paphitis wrote:Oh and I can also make my emails that I send to people self delete after a prescribed time period without the recipient knowing it.


No you can not you just think you can which is not the same thing. Sure you could do so if the end party first agrees to use such a system at their end and does not just take a copy of the email before it is deleted butt that is hardly 'without them even knowing'. Go on send me an email that will delete itself within an hour of me receiving it without me knowing and a week later I will quote it back to you verbatim. There can be security in hubris, in thinking you know more than you actually do. Humility is the corner stone of good security and you do not have this necessary trait.


Yes they are encrypted end to end.

If I email a generic web based email account like GMAIL or HOTMAIL, the recipient only gets an email saying they have recieved an email from me.

They can't view the email in their web based platform, or in outlook. They are presented with a link that takes them to a secure server. Once they are there, they have to enter the relevant key, which I would deliver from another secure means. That means, another end to end encryption platform.

Once they have the key, they enter it on the secure server, then read the email body.

Attachments are also secured with another key. So you have 2 factor authentication.

Usually, you send that key with another end to end encryption platform. The recipient needs 2 keys to read the email.

I can also self destruct the email body and attachments after an preset time period of my choosing. whereby the email is deleted from the server. That can be from 1 minute to as long as I like, 24 hours, 1 day, 1 week, or 1 month.

I don't send secure emails to Amazon. I just use generic unsecured email for stuff like that.

If the other party does not agree to use such a platform for the information that warrants such security, then they have no business accessing that information in the first place.

If I was sending sensitive financial information related to my accounts to family, that is the platform I use. In previous jobs, that is the email I would use to contact loved ones as well.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Wed May 20, 2020 5:50 pm

Paphitis wrote: So you have 2 factor authentication.


Just chucking around terms you do not understand does NOT make you more secure. 2 factor authentication does not mean using the same authentication method twice lol.

Paphitis wrote: I can also self destruct the email body and attachments after an preset time period of my choosing. whereby the email is deleted from the server. That can be from 1 minute to as long as I like, 24 hours, 1 day, 1 week, or 1 month.


You said you can do this 'without the recipient knowing it' lol. Well if I am a recipient and in order to read your 'email' I have to log on to the server you designate, use an encryption key you have sent me via some 'secure' means , that is no longer email is it and even if you claim it is email, I might actually be aware that if I can only view the 'email' sent to me by using a server not controlled by me, then yeah maybe the person who controls that server will decide if and when to delete the emails on it.

Paphitis wrote:I don't send secure emails to Amazon. I just use generic unsecured email for stuff like that.


You do not send emails to ANYBODY that way lol. Despite what you might think you are not James Bond lol

Paphitis wrote:If the other party does not agree to use such a platform for the information that warrants such security, then they have no business accessing that information in the first place.


So this is how you email your bank is it lol ? And if they refuse to use your secure end to end system you tell them they have no business controlling your bank accounts. This is how you email local tax departments is it ? Any government department or service is it ? Your accountant ? You really are such a plonker at times Paphitis.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Get Real! » Wed May 20, 2020 6:20 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I don't send secure emails to Amazon. I just use generic unsecured email for stuff like that.

You do not send emails to ANYBODY that way lol. Despite what you might think you are not James Bond lol

Maybe he should ZIP his emails up before sending, in case he is under communist surveillance... most likely is!

One can’t be too careful these days you know... :?
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Wed May 20, 2020 6:51 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:I don't send secure emails to Amazon. I just use generic unsecured email for stuff like that.

You do not send emails to ANYBODY that way lol. Despite what you might think you are not James Bond lol

Maybe he should ZIP his emails up before sending, in case he is under communist surveillance... most likely is!

One can’t be too careful these days you know... :?


zip them twice with two different passwords and you will have 2 factor authentication lol
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