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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 24, 2020 3:29 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Sorry, but these servers DO support IMAP, SMTP and POP3 protocols. You can easily configure it to be used with Outlook, and Thunderbird.


Make your mind up.

Paphitis wrote:If I email a generic web based email account like GMAIL or HOTMAIL, the recipient only gets an email saying they have recieved an email from me.

They can't view the email in their web based platform, or in outlook. They are presented with a link that takes them to a secure server. Once they are there, they have to enter the relevant key, which I would deliver from another secure means. That means, another end to end encryption platform.


So when you said

Paphitis wrote:I am so pedantic about everything and my security right down to my emails which are encrypted end to end.


What you meant was 2% of your emails are end to end encrypted if and only if the recipient uses the same email service.

Paphitis wrote:The only issue with this is that end to end encryption only exists between those who share the same email service.

If they don't, then the email is only encrypted at your end but not at the recipients end. Which is fine for 98% of situations. I don't normally worry about it when I am sending neutral emails concerning any Amazon orders, or reminding my wife about our shopping list or talking to the mechanic about my car's servicing etc etc. In fact, for trivial matters like this, I even use Outlook, and Gmail which isn't encrypted at all.


Paphitis wrote: It really doesn''t matter if other parties intercept and read your emails most of the time now does it?


No it does not which is why you original claim was and is non sense. Here it is again for you

Paphitis wrote:I am so pedantic about everything and my security right down to my emails which are encrypted end to end.


So then you say

Paphitis wrote:The system I use is PGP as well, but this method leaks the title of your email message and also the titles of your attachments.


So what about

Paphitis wrote:If I email a generic web based email account like GMAIL or HOTMAIL, the recipient only gets an email saying they have recieved an email from me.


and

Paphitis wrote:A better system is PGP/inline and PGP/Mime which is the preferred method.


Let me explain to you one more time. If you and the recipient are using PGP then there is no need what so ever for both of you to have too use a trusted third party. That is the whole point.


Probably a lot higher than 2% of my emails are end to end encrypted. I use it a fair bit now, and through my use, others are joining the same platforms as well. I would say more like 20% of my emails. I do not give these email addresses out unless there isd a need for me to email private or sensitive material.

I send a lot of emails with regard to my MYOB, financials, balance sheets, expenses, profit loss, lease agreements, architectural, draft plans, tax returns and so on and so on. When I do, I use end to end encryption. Any information that has my companies information as well including business names and trustee holdings. When the other party is not using the same or other similar platform, in order for them to access the email they need to go to my host server to access it and they can only access it if they know the key. If they do not have the key, they can't access the email.

I have had my tax details hacked at one point. One of a few thousand around Australia and it was done by an overseas criminal gang outside Australia's jurisdiction. These criminals managed to hijack my profile. They changed the email addresses and my address and put in a tax claim. The information leak occurred when they managed to hack the payroll system. It became a Federal Police matter. In my case, the violation was caught in time before cheques were issued. But in addition, my MyGOV platform which is the platform in which tax returns are lodged is in lock down. I can't access it myself without contacting the Tax Office.

So yeh, I have an appreciation of how important it is to secure my data. The tax office email me on my platform and access emails from this platform as well, and are also appreciative of my pro-active stance.

So it's end to end encryption. It's as secure as you can get.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Get Real! » Sun May 24, 2020 3:59 am

Where’s that insolent Maximus? :?

It took me just 5 minutes to transform the browser into this modern look from the user options:

There's next to nothing you can't change about it!

It's a full screen image btw, so just drag & drop it on your desktop to have a proper look; I'm assuming your browser supports drag & drop of images from websites! :lol:

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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 24, 2020 4:03 am

Get Real! wrote:Where’s that insolent Maximus? :?

It took me just 5 minutes to transform the browser into this modern look from the user options:

There's next to nothing you can't change about it!

It's a full screen image btw, so just drag & drop it on your desktop to have a proper look; I'm assuming your browser supports drag & drop of images from websites! :lol:

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It's still a bit netsacpish! :lol: From that 1970s show.

I am now picturing you with a John Travolta Grease hair do and flares! :lol:

Just the other day, my wonderful carpenter showed a photo of Elvis Presley and he asked her who he was, and she answered Michael Jackson. My poor carpenter was distraught. He is an Elvis fanatic and went to the US just to go to Graceland.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Get Real! » Sun May 24, 2020 4:06 am

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Where’s that insolent Maximus? :?

It took me just 5 minutes to transform the browser into this modern look from the user options:

There's next to nothing you can't change about it!

It's a full screen image btw, so just drag & drop it on your desktop to have a proper look; I'm assuming your browser supports drag & drop of images from websites! :lol:

modern.png


It's still a bit netsacpish! :lol: From that 1970s show.

I am now picturing you with a John Travolta Grease hair do and flares! :lol:

That just proves you've never seen what Netscape looks like! :lol:

http://download.softwsp.com/sites/10/20 ... ux-007.png

There's just no comparison...
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 24, 2020 4:12 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Where’s that insolent Maximus? :?

It took me just 5 minutes to transform the browser into this modern look from the user options:

There's next to nothing you can't change about it!

It's a full screen image btw, so just drag & drop it on your desktop to have a proper look; I'm assuming your browser supports drag & drop of images from websites! :lol:

modern.png


It's still a bit netsacpish! :lol: From that 1970s show.

I am now picturing you with a John Travolta Grease hair do and flares! :lol:

That just proves you've never seen what Netscape looks like! :lol:

http://download.softwsp.com/sites/10/20 ... ux-007.png

There's just no comparison...


Yeh, that's like yours. You just added black.

I mean there are so many other browsers that use the Chromium engines, are private and give you a great user experience. Plus they don't block Google Services straight off the bat.

One such browser is BRAVE.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Get Real! » Sun May 24, 2020 4:16 am

Paphitis wrote:Yeh, that's like yours. You just added black.

I mean there are so many other browsers that use the Chromium engines, are private and give you a great user experience. Plus they don't block Google Services straight off the bat.

One such browser is BRAVE.

Brave would fail all the tests that I can throw at it. Sorry...

Anyway, I've got stuff to do so... catch you later.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 24, 2020 4:24 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Yeh, that's like yours. You just added black.

I mean there are so many other browsers that use the Chromium engines, are private and give you a great user experience. Plus they don't block Google Services straight off the bat.

One such browser is BRAVE.

Brave would fail all the tests that I can throw at it. Sorry...

Anyway, I've got stuff to do so... catch you later.


Brave doesn't fail the internet is broken test. because if people can't access google, then what's the point? :lol:

Brave is private, especially with its DDG search browser, but people can access Google services when they want to as well. And that is the point and beauty of the internet. by taking Google out, you are basically also censoring what people can see and do.

Isn't the aim of your browser to be private? And if so, have you offered your users a secure email platform. That's the real elephant in the room.

No point securing your online activity without securing your email.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Sun May 24, 2020 7:06 am

Paphitis wrote: The tax office email me on my platform and access emails from this platform as well, and are also appreciative of my pro-active stance.


I call BS. You do not tell the tax office what platform they must use in order to email you. They tell you to use THEIR secure platform. https://www.ato.gov.au/business/busines ... view-mail/

Paphitis wrote: So it's end to end encryption. It's as secure as you can get.


End to end encryption that requires the use of a third party that is also a single point of failure is not as secure as end to end encryption that does not require the use of third party. It is not rocket science.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 24, 2020 11:03 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote: The tax office email me on my platform and access emails from this platform as well, and are also appreciative of my pro-active stance.


I call BS. You do not tell the tax office what platform they must use in order to email you. They tell you to use THEIR secure platform. https://www.ato.gov.au/business/busines ... view-mail/

Paphitis wrote: So it's end to end encryption. It's as secure as you can get.


End to end encryption that requires the use of a third party that is also a single point of failure is not as secure as end to end encryption that does not require the use of third party. It is not rocket science.


You can call bullshit all you like.

But all my utilities send my bills to these accounts as well, as well as my Bank, ASIC, Tax Office,

I only use unsecured email accounts like GMAIL and OUTLOOK for trivial things that do not really require any form of security. However, I encourage all people to have a secure email account. It's easy to do, and potentially it will thwart criminal activity such as identity theft, fingerprinting, and financial fraud. Also, it helps us all contribute to a safer internet and online environment and helps out these companies who are online activists for a free internet. That is the reason why I use them. The same reasons why I use Mozilla, Vivaldi and Brave.

Now, these companies ARE claiming end to end encryption. They do not mine your data. We now this as being absolute. You don't get advertisements either, but they charge a subscription. The data is stored on their servers in an encrypted manner. They are claiming they can't access our emails. Now, it is possible they have a back door.

However, when the Feds came down on them all heavy trying to force them to hand over the keys to Snowden's email accounts, they told the USG that they don't have the keys and need to get them from Snowden.

This company wiped all their services and shut down all their servers and disbanded their business. The same owners, have set up their business once again, in a country that isn't part of the 14 eyes. There is potential that they can betray you, but I don't do anything illegal so I am not really worried. All I want to do is protect my data from criminals and dodgy online cyber crime and protect my privacy. I achieve that through these platforms. I am therefore, much more protected than you are or anyone on this forum who doesn't bother to do what I do.

I also have my own server since I am a share holder in my Koumbaro's business and am therefore part owner of that server which we use for some business activity. So I can also use that if I want to for personal emails but I avoid that.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

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