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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Londonrake » Wed May 20, 2020 7:11 pm

I can't imagine anybody who'd have the faintest interest in following absolutely anything I do nowadays. Getting stuck with that surveillance job would be a sure fire route to suicide. I suspect even a machine would decide to end it all. :lol:

Mind you................................... there was a time. 8)
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Thu May 21, 2020 2:30 am

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Paphitis wrote: So you have 2 factor authentication.


Just chucking around terms you do not understand does NOT make you more secure. 2 factor authentication does not mean using the same authentication method twice lol.

Paphitis wrote: I can also self destruct the email body and attachments after an preset time period of my choosing. whereby the email is deleted from the server. That can be from 1 minute to as long as I like, 24 hours, 1 day, 1 week, or 1 month.


You said you can do this 'without the recipient knowing it' lol. Well if I am a recipient and in order to read your 'email' I have to log on to the server you designate, use an encryption key you have sent me via some 'secure' means , that is no longer email is it and even if you claim it is email, I might actually be aware that if I can only view the 'email' sent to me by using a server not controlled by me, then yeah maybe the person who controls that server will decide if and when to delete the emails on it.

Paphitis wrote:I don't send secure emails to Amazon. I just use generic unsecured email for stuff like that.


You do not send emails to ANYBODY that way lol. Despite what you might think you are not James Bond lol

Paphitis wrote:If the other party does not agree to use such a platform for the information that warrants such security, then they have no business accessing that information in the first place.


So this is how you email your bank is it lol ? And if they refuse to use your secure end to end system you tell them they have no business controlling your bank accounts. This is how you email local tax departments is it ? Any government department or service is it ? Your accountant ? You really are such a plonker at times Paphitis.


Yes I can delete the emails and the user won't know when they will be deleted or if they will be deleted if I don't divulge that information.

If I tell them, then they know it will be deleted.

It is the most secure method of sending emails, and it is the same platform used by Snowden and the provider is based in a country that isn't part of the 14 eyes.

These email platforms on face value (no one can be sure 100%) is said to be safe from even the NSA. Snowden was using an American provider that was very big on privacy. When the NSA found out Snowden was sending emails using his platform, which hey couldn't intercept, they paid him a little visit and were asking him for the encryption keys. he told them he doesn't have them and only Snowden knows his encryption keys.

They were planning on arresting him at one point, but what he did was close down his company and wipe all his servers. He preferred shutting down his company rather than breach user's privacy.

Yes the platform is end to end encrypted. Whether its 100% safe from things like ASIO and NSA is another matter but it certainly is 100% safe to any corporates like Google, 99.99% safe from hackers, phishing, fingerprinting, and at the very least makes the NSA's job very difficult. Not that I have anything to worry about as the only reason why I use these platforms is for financial transactions which could be large transactions between myself and the Bank. yes the Bank does read these emails I send them through these servers.

In fact, my Bank manager likes it.

Yes I send emails this way all the time, when I include private information about my financials, banking, accounting, trusts, companies and so on. I have 3 companies and 3 trustees and I like being discrete. No one knows that I own them and even if they do property searches, my name doesn't come up. They see a trust or company and the general public don't know who the directors are.

I do not use Gmail. Hotmail, Yahoo, or Outlook when emailing details with company and trust keys, dealing with ASIC or the Tax Man. That's just the way I like doing it.

I had my tax account hacked once, and that is even under permanent lock down. My accountant has to call them to open the portal to upload my returns and once that's done, the portals are closed down.

These platforms are the most secure open to the general public email platforms available. The reason why people use them is to protect their data and whatever information they have that warrants such security and protection. in my opinion, financials, medical information, personal details, do warrant such security and protection. Also ASIC keys, company registrations information, and your tax details as well as your financials, deductions, expenses, balance sheets and profit/loss plus more. There are many ways people leave themselves exposed to fraud and even identity theft.

I have been the victim of fraud before, identity theft and I am also a regular victim of the Gossip mongerers and others who regularly try to pry into me finances. I have even had people do searches on me. I protect a lit of information like my life depends on it.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Thu May 21, 2020 5:31 am

This is not email. You send someone an email to tell them there is a message on some third party server. This is not email in exactly the same way sending someone an email saying there is a private message on this forum for them, is not email. To call it email is to not understand what email is. What the universal protocols are that define email as email. You are not expert in these things you just think you are which is why it does not surprise me one bit that you have been a victim of ID fraud.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Thu May 21, 2020 12:39 pm

erolz66 wrote:This is not email. You send someone an email to tell them there is a message on some third party server. This is not email in exactly the same way sending someone an email saying there is a private message on this forum for them, is not email. To call it email is to not understand what email is. What the universal protocols are that define email as email. You are not expert in these things you just think you are which is why it does not surprise me one bit that you have been a victim of ID fraud.


It's email alright.

the only difference is that this email is secured with discrete ports, hosted by a server where the recipient must visit in order to access, and only after entering the correct key.

So the email doesn't leave that particular server.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Thu May 21, 2020 1:00 pm

Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:This is not email. You send someone an email to tell them there is a message on some third party server. This is not email in exactly the same way sending someone an email saying there is a private message on this forum for them, is not email. To call it email is to not understand what email is. What the universal protocols are that define email as email. You are not expert in these things you just think you are which is why it does not surprise me one bit that you have been a victim of ID fraud.


It's email alright.

the only difference is that this email is secured with discrete ports, hosted by a server where the recipient must visit in order to access, and only after entering the correct key.

So the email doesn't leave that particular server.


Which means it is not email. Email works on global open protocols, SMTP, POP3, IMAP etc. Which is why you can receive and send your email from any number of clients on any number of devices via any servers using the same protocols. What you are calling email works on closed proprietary protocols on closed specific servers, complete with it's own specific single point of failure ,the server itself and the people who run it which is not you or the person receiving the mail). Thus it is not email. It' s like me claiming to have end to end email encryption because when I want to send an email I send one telling the person to log on to telegram and collect the mail message via that, which does have end to end encryption. Arguing with you is pointless. You believe you have end to end encryption on emails and that you can delete emails sent to people without them knowing that you can or have deleted them if it makes you feel superior and clever and safe. To me and anyone who understands this stuff it just shows both your ignorance and your inability to even understand you are ignorant. Not a good combo if security is your priority.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Thu May 21, 2020 1:17 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:This is not email. You send someone an email to tell them there is a message on some third party server. This is not email in exactly the same way sending someone an email saying there is a private message on this forum for them, is not email. To call it email is to not understand what email is. What the universal protocols are that define email as email. You are not expert in these things you just think you are which is why it does not surprise me one bit that you have been a victim of ID fraud.


It's email alright.

the only difference is that this email is secured with discrete ports, hosted by a server where the recipient must visit in order to access, and only after entering the correct key.

So the email doesn't leave that particular server.


Which means it is not email. Email works on global open protocols, SMTP, POP3, IMAP etc. Which is why you can receive and send your email from any number of clients on any number of devices via any servers using the same protocols. What you are calling email works on closed proprietary protocols on closed specific servers, complete with it's own specific single point of failure ,the server itself and the people who run it which is not you or the person receiving the mail). Thus it is not email. It' s like me claiming to have end to end email encryption because when I want to send an email I send one telling the person to log on to telegram and collect the mail message via that, which does have end to end encryption. Arguing with you is pointless. You believe you have end to end encryption on emails and that you can delete emails sent to people without them knowing that you can or have deleted them if it makes you feel superior and clever and safe. To me and anyone who understands this stuff it just shows both your ignorance and your inability to even understand you are ignorant. Not a good combo if security is your priority.


The system you use Paphitis is inherently less secure and reliable and flexible in principle and in practice than other systems that have existed much longer but that your are either too ignorant or lazy to use. Your system requires you and the recipient to communicate via a third party that is in essence unknown to you. If their servers have downtime you can not communicate. If they have failure or data loss your communications are lost. If they cease trading your communications are lost. If they are hacked your communications are compromised and or lost. If they have a rouge employee your communications are lost or compromised. If you were serious about security of emails you would just use PGP encryption and an email client that supports such in agreement with those you wish to communicate with securely. You would pass your public PGP key to them in person physically and they theirs to you. Your emails would travel over the existing open email systems using existing email protocols and not be dependent on you and the recipient trusting a third party at all or be subject to any single point of failure issues. You do not do this because you are not the 'smart IT security expert' you think you are. Snowden would never use a system that required a trusted third party when there are system that do not. That is just basic security principal.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Londonrake » Thu May 21, 2020 1:36 pm

There’s a “rouge employee” at Mrs L’s hairdressers.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 22, 2020 2:15 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:This is not email. You send someone an email to tell them there is a message on some third party server. This is not email in exactly the same way sending someone an email saying there is a private message on this forum for them, is not email. To call it email is to not understand what email is. What the universal protocols are that define email as email. You are not expert in these things you just think you are which is why it does not surprise me one bit that you have been a victim of ID fraud.


It's email alright.

the only difference is that this email is secured with discrete ports, hosted by a server where the recipient must visit in order to access, and only after entering the correct key.

So the email doesn't leave that particular server.


Which means it is not email. Email works on global open protocols, SMTP, POP3, IMAP etc. Which is why you can receive and send your email from any number of clients on any number of devices via any servers using the same protocols. What you are calling email works on closed proprietary protocols on closed specific servers, complete with it's own specific single point of failure ,the server itself and the people who run it which is not you or the person receiving the mail). Thus it is not email. It' s like me claiming to have end to end email encryption because when I want to send an email I send one telling the person to log on to telegram and collect the mail message via that, which does have end to end encryption. Arguing with you is pointless. You believe you have end to end encryption on emails and that you can delete emails sent to people without them knowing that you can or have deleted them if it makes you feel superior and clever and safe. To me and anyone who understands this stuff it just shows both your ignorance and your inability to even understand you are ignorant. Not a good combo if security is your priority.


Sorry, but these servers DO support IMAP, SMTP and POP3 protocols. You can easily configure it to be used with Outlook, and Thunderbird.

The only issue with this is that end to end encryption only exists between those who share the same email service.

If they don't, then the email is only encrypted at your end but not at the recipients end. Which is fine for 98% of situations. I don't normally worry about it when I am sending neutral emails concerning any Amazon orders, or reminding my wife about our shopping list or talking to the mechanic about my car's servicing etc etc. In fact, for trivial matters like this, I even use Outlook, and Gmail which isn't encrypted at all. It really doesn''t matter if other parties intercept and read your emails most of the time now does it?

You only worry about end to end encryption when you really need it. For important information related to yourself and/or information related to your family. Things like Banking, Tax Returns, Financials, MYOB spreadsheets which contain sensitive financial data, medicals, things pertaining to your businesses, or when you arrange for someone to dust up an arsehole who ripped your off and paying for their services etc etc :lol:

I use these services because I think they offer a great service to the public and I support a free and safe online environment with freedom of speech and liberalism. I actually believe the entire world should use these services because they are free internet crusaders and that's worth fighting for. The internet is the Agora of the modern world. Where people gather and express their thoughts and obtain information and entertainment.

I am happy to tell people about it because everyone should have a secure email service to protect their data. People are too complacent about their own security and safety and that has the potential to ruin lives and families. The internet can be a dangerous place.

I also support 100% Australian Security Agencies which work in collaboration with the other 4 eyes and also with another 8 eyes belonging to the EU. The reason why I support them is because they fulfill important roles for our personal safety and security and that means surveillance. I will always support them and support the security of my country. But these agencies are not the only people operating online. We have cyber criminals and people attempting to steal identities for criminal purposes as well, which these agencies are also trying to detect and disrupt with law enforcement.

When the American dude finally sets up his business again (which he plans to do) I will support him because of his ethics and morals towards people's privacy which was tested in the past.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 22, 2020 2:37 am

erolz66 wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:This is not email. You send someone an email to tell them there is a message on some third party server. This is not email in exactly the same way sending someone an email saying there is a private message on this forum for them, is not email. To call it email is to not understand what email is. What the universal protocols are that define email as email. You are not expert in these things you just think you are which is why it does not surprise me one bit that you have been a victim of ID fraud.


It's email alright.

the only difference is that this email is secured with discrete ports, hosted by a server where the recipient must visit in order to access, and only after entering the correct key.

So the email doesn't leave that particular server.


Which means it is not email. Email works on global open protocols, SMTP, POP3, IMAP etc. Which is why you can receive and send your email from any number of clients on any number of devices via any servers using the same protocols. What you are calling email works on closed proprietary protocols on closed specific servers, complete with it's own specific single point of failure ,the server itself and the people who run it which is not you or the person receiving the mail). Thus it is not email. It' s like me claiming to have end to end email encryption because when I want to send an email I send one telling the person to log on to telegram and collect the mail message via that, which does have end to end encryption. Arguing with you is pointless. You believe you have end to end encryption on emails and that you can delete emails sent to people without them knowing that you can or have deleted them if it makes you feel superior and clever and safe. To me and anyone who understands this stuff it just shows both your ignorance and your inability to even understand you are ignorant. Not a good combo if security is your priority.


The system you use Paphitis is inherently less secure and reliable and flexible in principle and in practice than other systems that have existed much longer but that your are either too ignorant or lazy to use. Your system requires you and the recipient to communicate via a third party that is in essence unknown to you. If their servers have downtime you can not communicate. If they have failure or data loss your communications are lost. If they cease trading your communications are lost. If they are hacked your communications are compromised and or lost. If they have a rouge employee your communications are lost or compromised. If you were serious about security of emails you would just use PGP encryption and an email client that supports such in agreement with those you wish to communicate with securely. You would pass your public PGP key to them in person physically and they theirs to you. Your emails would travel over the existing open email systems using existing email protocols and not be dependent on you and the recipient trusting a third party at all or be subject to any single point of failure issues. You do not do this because you are not the 'smart IT security expert' you think you are. Snowden would never use a system that required a trusted third party when there are system that do not. That is just basic security principal.


The system I use is PGP as well, but this method leaks the title of your email message and also the titles of your attachments.

A better system is PGP/inline and PGP/Mime which is the preferred method.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Fri May 22, 2020 7:49 am

Paphitis wrote:Sorry, but these servers DO support IMAP, SMTP and POP3 protocols. You can easily configure it to be used with Outlook, and Thunderbird.


Make your mind up.

Paphitis wrote:If I email a generic web based email account like GMAIL or HOTMAIL, the recipient only gets an email saying they have recieved an email from me.

They can't view the email in their web based platform, or in outlook. They are presented with a link that takes them to a secure server. Once they are there, they have to enter the relevant key, which I would deliver from another secure means. That means, another end to end encryption platform.


So when you said

Paphitis wrote:I am so pedantic about everything and my security right down to my emails which are encrypted end to end.


What you meant was 2% of your emails are end to end encrypted if and only if the recipient uses the same email service.

Paphitis wrote:The only issue with this is that end to end encryption only exists between those who share the same email service.

If they don't, then the email is only encrypted at your end but not at the recipients end. Which is fine for 98% of situations. I don't normally worry about it when I am sending neutral emails concerning any Amazon orders, or reminding my wife about our shopping list or talking to the mechanic about my car's servicing etc etc. In fact, for trivial matters like this, I even use Outlook, and Gmail which isn't encrypted at all.


Paphitis wrote: It really doesn''t matter if other parties intercept and read your emails most of the time now does it?


No it does not which is why you original claim was and is non sense. Here it is again for you

Paphitis wrote:I am so pedantic about everything and my security right down to my emails which are encrypted end to end.


So then you say

Paphitis wrote:The system I use is PGP as well, but this method leaks the title of your email message and also the titles of your attachments.


So what about

Paphitis wrote:If I email a generic web based email account like GMAIL or HOTMAIL, the recipient only gets an email saying they have recieved an email from me.


and

Paphitis wrote:A better system is PGP/inline and PGP/Mime which is the preferred method.


Let me explain to you one more time. If you and the recipient are using PGP then there is no need what so ever for both of you to have too use a trusted third party. That is the whole point.
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