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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 24, 2020 11:34 am

erolz66 wrote:https://www.openpgp.org/software/


Thanks, but I already use 2 platforms. One hosted in Germany which is part of the 14 eyes. I don't have a problem with Germany being a part of the 14 days because so is Australia, and I support my countries security agencies and treaties it has with the other 13 countries around the world about our security.

The other one I use is hosted in Switzerland, which is a neutral country and isn't a part of the 14 eyes, and has some of the strictest privacy laws in the world.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Sun May 24, 2020 11:44 am

Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:https://www.openpgp.org/software/


Thanks, but I already use 2 platforms. One hosted in Germany which is part of the 14 eyes. I don't have a problem with Germany being a part of the 14 days because so is Australia, and I support my countries security agencies and treaties it has with the other 13 countries around the world about our security.

The other one I use is hosted in Switzerland, which is a neutral country and isn't a part of the 14 eyes, and has some of the strictest privacy laws in the world.


yes you use systems that require you and the person you are communicating with to trust a third party not know to either of you. Who knows the next time the Feds come knocking they may delete all your emails and everyone else's even though no one can un encrypt the mails stored there including themselves or the feds, and then just start up all over again. Just one of the many potential issues when using a third party that can not happen if you do not use a third party. You want to use a third party fine but stop the nonsense claiming that such use of an unknown third party is the best possible level of protection obtainable. It is not. Cut out the third party and your security is better along with a whole host of other benefits.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 24, 2020 11:58 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:https://www.openpgp.org/software/


Thanks, but I already use 2 platforms. One hosted in Germany which is part of the 14 eyes. I don't have a problem with Germany being a part of the 14 days because so is Australia, and I support my countries security agencies and treaties it has with the other 13 countries around the world about our security.

The other one I use is hosted in Switzerland, which is a neutral country and isn't a part of the 14 eyes, and has some of the strictest privacy laws in the world.


yes you use systems that require you and the person you are communicating with to trust a third party not know to either of you. Who knows the next time the Feds come knocking they may delete all your emails and everyone else's even though no one can un encrypt the mails stored there including themselves or the feds, and then just start up all over again. Just one of the many potential issues when using a third party that can not happen if you do not use a third party. You want to use a third party fine but stop the nonsense claiming that such use of an unknown third party is the best possible level of protection obtainable. It is not. Cut out the third party and your security is better along with a whole host of other benefits.


You have to trust someone. There are no absolute 100% in anything.

Yes there is no guarantee when the Feds come knocking. It can happen and I know the Feds came knocking on the service Snowden was using. This indicates to me, that this platform was highly secure from the NSA even. What happened was that the provider refused to cooperate and told the Feds he doesn't have the keys to Snowden's emails or of any of their clients.

Rather than betray the trust of their users, this individual decided to disband his company and wipe all his servers so that he didn't have to face this dilemma. he was almost arrested as well.

This individual is again planning on setting up his business yet again in Switzerland.

The company was called Lavabit.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Lavabit



I am many millions of people around the world are looking forward to seeing this guy back in business.

he exagerates a little bit as I guarantee you the NSA does not read all our emails. They can, but they won't bother with us plebs. they are really only interested in espionage, terrorism, counter intelligence and other such very spooky things.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby erolz66 » Sun May 24, 2020 12:50 pm

Paphitis wrote:You have to trust someone. There are no absolute 100% in anything.


For end to end encrypted communication you do not have to trust a third party to run the servers you communicate via. You need to trust the people who have written the pgp encryption software you might use, unless you want to create your own but there is no need to use third party servers. It is an issue of convenience not security. Using third party server services is easier but it is less secure. It is not rocket science.
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Re: The Classic Browser... at last!

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 24, 2020 1:34 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:You have to trust someone. There are no absolute 100% in anything.


For end to end encrypted communication you do not have to trust a third party to run the servers you communicate via. You need to trust the people who have written the pgp encryption software you might use, unless you want to create your own but there is no need to use third party servers. It is an issue of convenience not security. Using third party server services is easier but it is less secure. It is not rocket science.


According to these providers, you don't have to trust them as they claim they can't read your emails and only store these emails in their encrypted format.

They also need to have the key, to read your emails. They claim they do not have our keys.

Now, whether that is true or not, is neither the point. These emails are definitely many times safer than any web based emails like Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo and Outlook which are completely 100% unsafe and insecure.

If there is a soft spot at the server, you are still safer from cyber crime, and probably safer against state sponsored agencies as well. Probably not completely safe as the NSA and others have massive resources and can probably circumvent everything but they couldn't circumvent Lavabit.

Today, there are many providers that have followed on from Lavabit which was forced to shut down to protect its client base.

What these services will do when they face a similar dilemma that was faced by Lavabit and the Snowden emails is anyone's guess. So far, they haven't been tested.

However, when Levison starts up his new company, he will have many people who will sign up because this man was tested and he stood by his principles and preferred to lose money than to contravene what he believes and stands for.

Personally, I am not worried about any State Agencies from the 14 eyes. I have nothing at all to worry about. I even support these agencies doing their important roles. But I also believe in a free internet which is why I follow Levison and these other providers.
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