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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:24 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Paphitis, if you are heading to the USA soon, I am posting this video again for you to watch plus, a more recent one (part 2) so that you can protect yourself against the police. This is not for because you may be guilty of something only, but more importantly, for your protection because you are innocent. Too many innocent people are thrown into jail because they chose to talk to the police but end up being wrongly arrested.






I'm really sorry Kikapu but I will be talking to police when they wish to talk to me. I think that is the common sense approach. I do not believe you will get very far for not talking to them on what is probably a very trivial matter.
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Don’t Talk To The Police.

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Firmly ask for a lawyer
Reviewed in the United States on March 27, 2018

Here’s the summary:

By law, a prosecutor can see to it that nothing you tell the police is used in court to help you. That’s a law. Save the good stuff for your lawyer and your day in court!

Conversely, everything you tell the police can be used in court to hurt your case:

• You may inadvertently tell them something inaccurate; potentially, that’s perjury.
• You could waste a perfectly good alibi by getting a detail wrong.
• You may tell them something absolutely correct that some expert falsely disputes and then you’ve lied, again, and you’ve provided them with an “aha” moment for the jury.
• You may tell them something that to you seems irrelevant, but to them helps bolster or build a case against you out of nothing.
• You may even bend under their pressure and confess to something you did not do!

The cops are allowed to lie to extract a confession: they can lie about whether you’re a suspect or not, they can lie about what you’re suspected of, they can lie about details of the case, they are in all probability lying about any lenience they may be offering you, they are trained to legally set you up to look like you possess information that you only could have gotten if you were at the scene of the crime. They are very unlikely to transcribe or record your conversation accurately and, again, any errors will play against you.

The police can legally feed back everything you discussed with them to whoever is accusing you and help them build their case!

None of this is because the police are bad; it’s because they are people. As people they are both fallible and liable to look for every possible angle that can support an initial wrong guess. Some may even be more than fallible and venal and not want to admit they were wrong to suspect you.

Keeping quiet can help you stay away from all this trouble.

Sadly, even this advice is no longer perfect, because the Supreme Court has ruled that an innocent person would have no reason to say something as straightforward as “I would not like to speak with you because the constitution affords me the right to avoid self-incrimination.” These days, you have to invoke a different constitutional right and firmly ask for a lawyer!

So that’s what the book says. I have plenty to add, but will keep it brief:

I’ll be fifty in June, so now I have friends who have gone to jail. It is invariably for a statement they have naively given, which the cop afterwards baptized “a confession.” But don’t take it from me, read Michael Lewis’ book about Sergey Aleynikov; or compare and contrast what happened to the Barclays guys (who asked for a lawyer) and the Citibank guy, who spent 86 hours talking to the cops first. The way a dear friend tells it who got 13 years for a crime he had nothing to do with, “jail is for the stupid.” (The Greek word he used has three a’s in it.)

In short, the justice system is a system that closes cases, not a system that seeks justice. The antechamber of this Kafkaesque hell is the police station. If you have not managed to avoid the visit to the antechamber, keep stumm until you’ve hired the best legal help you can. In doing so, you’re hiring part of the system, you’re paying cash into the system, you’re getting the system on side. And you’re involving part of the system that’s a pay grade (or ten) above the cop who’s looking to feed you with your confession and write it up for you. That’s your best bet.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:14 pm

When you connsider the fact that a suspect appears in court with a lawyer and is up against the Presuction Service Layers and the Police force all working togther, witholding evidence that can help the defendent to close a case rather than serve justice, it is obvious that the Crimial Justice System is so called for a reason.

Add to that when the injustice is found out, no no police or presecution lawyer is investigated never mind charged.

Only recently 4 policemen were charged regarding Hillsbourough killings of Liverpool supporters after more than 30 years of inaction and failed investigations.

This is the reason why people want to defund the police to stop them abusing the system.
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Re: ...this is America.

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Re: ...this is America.

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:21 pm

He has missed the fact that whenever a Communist or a Socialist country is formed the west attacks it till it is destabilised. White Russians were armed and financed by the west against Lenin and Cuba to this day is embargoed by the USA. Do I need to mention what they did to Vietnam? A host of Central and South American countries have been attacked because they were setting up a socialist state. UK today has 1.2 billion US dollars worth of gold belonging to Venezuela and is refusing to hand it back.

Vietnam today has 97 million population and lost 58 people to Covid. Now that is some health service. Imagine what Vietnam would be like if US did not drop millions of bombs on her especially the ones with agent orange in them and to what purpose?

Who can forget Cuban Doctors and Nurses from going to Italy to help out when their health system collapsed..
When did Capitalist system start and what was in its place before then? The irony of course is that little ol covid almost closed down capitalism for the last 12 months but despite the fact that it failed so completely, it is not going to be replaced. This disease will be nursed back to health to suck the blood out of the people again.

And before some idiot says it was capitalism that created the vaccine, that is even more bullshit, the creators of the vaccine are either working in the public sector or have worked in the public sector for decades before setting up their company.

When did Capitalist sysrtem start and what was in its place before then?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:03 pm

Lordo wrote:He has missed the fact that whenever a Communist or a Socialist country is formed the west attacks it till it is destabilised. White Russians were armed and financed by the west against Lenin and Cuba to this day is embargoed by the USA. Do I need to mention what they did to Vietnam? A host of Central and South American countries have been attacked because they were setting up a socialist state. UK today has 1.2 billion US dollars worth of gold belonging to Venezuela and is refusing to hand it back.

Vietnam today has 97 million population and lost 58 people to Covid. Now that is some health service. Imagine what Vietnam would be like if US did not drop millions of bombs on her especially the ones with agent orange in them and to what purpose?

Who can forget Cuban Doctors and Nurses from going to Italy to help out when their health system collapsed..
When did Capitalist system start and what was in its place before then? The irony of course is that little ol covid almost closed down capitalism for the last 12 months but despite the fact that it failed so completely, it is not going to be replaced. This disease will be nursed back to health to suck the blood out of the people again.

And before some idiot says it was capitalism that created the vaccine, that is even more bullshit, the creators of the vaccine are either working in the public sector or have worked in the public sector for decades before setting up their company.

When did Capitalist sysrtem start and what was in its place before then?


Good points, Lordo.

Here’s the problem with all those brain dead Republicans who believe Socialism is bad, and yet, there are Socialism ALL over America. The ONLY conclusion one can reach with these brain dead idiots is, that they do not know what socialism is. :D
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:07 pm

How to deal with cops at a traffic stop in the USA. :D


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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:50 pm

...China is neither a socialist or communist society, it is an autocracy.

Education is an example, what is a Bachelor's degree in China, what it was; what is unnatural from CCP control.



...indeed, what has the CCP done, for the People, lately?

...Chinese lives matter, too. Worth watching,
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:56 am

Maybe this should be in the ,''what are you listening to'' topic, because if you like the banjo, this guy's channel is awesome.



...but Woody Guthrie, that's America too.
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