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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Sat May 30, 2020 7:43 pm

I am getting tired listening to governors, mayors and president Trump blaming the reaction of the citizens for the murder of a black man by a bunch of criminal police gang, who the main killer had no less than 16 complaints against him to which 14 complaints were dismissed, as if the complainants should not waste their time by complaining, like, how dare they they should complain against their criminal gang officers. None of these motherfuckers are saying anything in regards for the change of the practices the law enforcement personnel perform that has unjustly killed hundreds of citizens every year, not to mention violating the rights of thousands every year.

How insulting when an officer murders an unarmed suspect in cuffs and on video, and yet he is charged only with a 3rd degree murder. No wonder the citizens are pissed off. I expected a plea bargain the murderer from 1st degree murder charge to manslaughter, but to charge the murderer with manslaughter of the bat, that is an insult. If the American cities are burning, the cause is not by the citizens, but by the entire law enforcement departments that have allowed the infestation of hate and racism against the people they have been hired to serve, instead becoming criminal gangs under the “Thin Blue Line” brotherhood.

So, until the law enforcement changes their attitudes towards the citizens as if they are untouchable,even committing murder, then the citizens will take the law into their hands as they are now doing.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat May 30, 2020 9:59 pm

...asking teenagers why they are burning their own neighborhoods down, different reporters i heard got the same answer, "...it had to be done"; "...no one is listening", the follow-up.

...this is not new, Americans burning their cities down, but, it has been for the most part, for the same reasons; Injustice: acts Criminal with their malice from an Authority of their State.

...it is not new in any State, where the Authority of it, loses its credibility. Now, with all this shit that's gone down, i suppose the teenager thinks, what are "they" going to do about it?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Sun May 31, 2020 9:05 am

The modus operandi of US cops

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Sun May 31, 2020 9:33 am

Surely worrying about infringement of liberties and the creation of a police state by looking at how police behave is just a distraction and waste of time. What we should be doing, spending our precious and limited time and energy on, is joining up the dots between Bill Gates and the use of this virus outbreak to implant tracking chips in to the entire population without them realising. Doing the former can only lead to us having to ask difficult question about how our own personal choices and decisions when interacting with police might play a role in the chances of outcomes like the above and we do not want that do we.

For the avoidance of any doubt the above is sarcasm.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Sun May 31, 2020 9:54 am

erolz66 wrote:Surely worrying about infringement of liberties and the creation of a police state by looking at how police behave is just a distraction and waste of time. What we should be doing, spending our precious and limited time and energy on, is joining up the dots between Bill Gates and the use of this virus outbreak to implant tracking chips in to the entire population without them realising. Doing the former can only lead to us having to ask difficult question about how our own personal choices and decisions when interacting with police might play a role in the chances of outcomes like the above and we do not want that do we.

For the avoidance of any doubt the above is sarcasm.

You had me worried for a minute! :wink:
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Londonrake » Sun May 31, 2020 10:08 am

A (paywalled) time line from the DT:

On the night of May 25, George Floyd was arrested after a shopkeeper called the police on suspicion of Floyd using a counterfeit $20 bill.

First on the scene were two officers, Thomas Lane and J.A. Kueng. They went to Floyd's car, where they found him in the driver's seat with two adult passengers, according to the complaint.

Officer Lane began speaking with Floyd and then pulled his gun out and pointed it at Floyd's open window, asking him to show his hands.

When Floyd put his hands on the steering wheel, Lane holstered his gun and then ordered him out of the car and pulled him out of the vehicle.

Floyd "resisted being handcuffed," according to the complaint, but once he was in cuffs he "became compliant" as Lane sat him on the ground and asked for his name, identification and told him why he was being arrested.

Lane and Keung then stood Floyd up and attempted to walk him to their squad car.

At 8.14pm, the complaint says, Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

Officers Derek Chauvin and Tou Thao then arrived in a separate squad car.

Floyd and Chauvin, 44, had worked together at a Minneapolis nightclub as recently as last year.

"Chauvin was our off-duty police for almost the entirety of the 17 years that we were open," said Maya Santamaria, owner of El Nuevo Rancho, where Floyd worked as a bouncer.

"They were working together at the same time, it's just that Chauvin worked outside and the security guards were inside."

She did not know if the two men knew each other.

The officers, four of them now, made several attempts to get Floyd in the backseat of the police car, on the driver’s side, but Floyd "did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down,” according to the document.

While standing outside the car, Floyd began saying that he could not breathe.

The officers then attempted to get him into the car from the passenger side.

Next, Chauvin pulled Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car and he landed face down and still handcuffed, according to the complaint.

Two of the officers held his legs down and then, at 8.19pm, Chauvin placed his left knee on the back of Floyd's neck.

As Floyd said "I can't breathe" and "Mama" and "please," the complaint states that the officers stayed in their positions.

An officer told Floyd: "You are talking fine."

Lane eventually asked: "Should we roll him on his side?"

Chauvin responded: "No, staying put where we got him."

When Lane said he was "worried about excited delirium," Chauvin said: "That's why we have him on his stomach," the statement reads.

At 8.24pm, Floyd stopped moving.

Approximately a minute later, video "appears to show Mr Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak."

Keung checked for a pulse on Floyd's right wrist, and said he couldn't find one.

Still none of the officers moved from their positions.

At 8.27pm, Chauvin removed his knee from Floyd's neck, according to the statement.

An ambulance was called to the scene and Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center shortly after.

George Floyd was 'always cheerful' friends say
Floyd, 46, had been laid off from his job as a bouncer at the Conga Latin Bistro, due to the restaurant shutting during the outbreak of covid-19.

Standing 6ft 6” tall, the man known by his friends as a gentle giant was nicknamed “Big Floyd”.

“Always cheerful,” said Jovanni Tunstrom, the bistro’s owner.

“He had a good attitude. He would dance badly to make people laugh. I tried to teach him how to dance because he loved Latin music, but I couldn’t because he was too tall for me.

“He always called me ‘Bossman’. I said, ‘Floyd, don’t call me Bossman. I’m your friend.’”

Floyd had moved to Minneapolis from Houston, where he was remembered as the star of the school American Football team.

His life veered off the tracks, however, and in 2007 Floyd was charged with armed robbery in a home invasion in the Texan city.

He was sentenced to five years in prison in 2009 as part of a plea deal, according to court documents.

Floyd moved to Minneapolis around 2014, leaving behind a daughter, now aged six, who lives with her mother.

The pandemic hit him hard, leaving Floyd without his job at the restaurant and also redundant from his second job driving trucks.

His final words - “I can’t breathe" - have become a rallying call for a nation, and a painful reminder of America’s sorry history repeating itself.

Eric Garner uttered the same words when he was put in a fatal chokehold by police on Staten Island in July 2014.

Both men were black. Both police officers were white.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Sun May 31, 2020 12:42 pm

It is very interesting that Floyd and his murderer Chauvin both worked at the same nightclub in separate security duties. These two must have some history together that might add some light to Chauvis’ behaviour by keeping his knee on Floyd’s neck until he murdered him.

Floyd was a big man at 6’6”, and we can see him stumbling a little after he was in cuffs and was lead by single officer to have him sit on the sidewalk. It is not easy for a big man like him to get into the back of a squad car especially with his hands cuffed in his back, therefore I question the interpretation of his resisting to get into the back seat. I also question the interpretation of Floyd deliberately falling to the ground. He was being pulled out of the car by Chauvis, and Floyd not having free hands to support himself, gravity took him to the ground.

I smell malice here on the part with Chauvis.

Why did he pull Floyd out from the back of the squad car since the object was to get him into the squad car?

Why was Floyd taken to the the passenger side of the squad car which was the traffic side when it would have been safer to do so from the curb side. What did they want to hide?

Were the cops trying to hide their crime by keeping Floyd out of the public view from the curb side. We were only able to see his head and little of his shoulder. For a long time, we couldn’t even see the other two officers along with Chauvis holding Floyd down until another video emerged.

I believe there is a conspiracy by the 4 officers to cause harm to Floyd, which makes it a premeditated murder which counts as 1st degree murder with special circumstances punishable by death penalty upon conviction.
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Re: ...this is America.

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Sun May 31, 2020 7:39 pm

Just another tale of unproportional violence from the "great America": the National Guard attacking people on their own private porch:

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:57 pm

It is time to remove the “qualified immunity” from the police officers as it only makes them more arrogant and lawless. These motherfuckers need to be made responsible when they perform their duties. Often they act like “sovereign gang members” as they know they can often get away with murder, especially when no one is looking.
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