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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Londonrake » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 pm

You might want to look on YouTube to see comments of the Houston Police Chief re Trump’s efforts.

Ohh, there ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZBZ_hw ... e=youtu.be

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:24 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:https://www.facebook.com/95475020353/posts/10165400986095354/?vh=e


It is the truth, what she says. Where is BLM when these things happen every day, to Blacks, even by Blacks; shootings and death. Why does it take a White Police person to provoke such anger?

...it is not the Police per se, that these protesters should have a problem with, witness the many acts of Police in solidarity with demonstrators, it is the institutionalisation of an order which entitles "Americans", a class of Americans who feel a superiority over those they have labeled "others" (read: not "them") to thrive.

...who is sick, who is hungry, who is old and frail, who have children, who is wheelchair bound, for example; these are simple questions a Police-person should be able to answer, if it is, that they, "Protect and Serve" a community.
(none of which needs guns, or force), needing more a willingness to be helpful to all citizens, with intelligence also useful to them. "Law and Order", is not the only function of a Police Force, although for the Judiciary, it is the function they depend on for their work. Having a Police Force focused (exclusively) on this work, rather than the communities they serve most certainly will lead to abuses of the Authority, and of Authority.

...the gun, guns being so important to Americans, it is time (again) for Law Enforcement to reconsider the need for guns; why (now) there is a need to return to such times (who remembers the FBI at its advent), without guns. What has become abundantly clear, to me at least, is that not all Police-Persons should be carrying guns; this deadly force should not be a choice in the regular performance of their duties, far from it.

What example does it serve, a Lawman, with no gun? (and in neighbourhoods that should have no guns).

Who shoots unarmed people? Who kills? Obviously, these people need special treatment.

There is a big difference; if the Police do not make the difference by example assuming that everyone carries a gun: that they carry guns.

...fundamentally flawed, it's not the Police that are to be faulted, it is the Authority under which they work, who define this work for them; although, at this moment, the Police have an opportunity to change themselves.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:59 pm

This is a classic video where PI who is an ex cop gets pulled over in his car. A must see. :wink:

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:59 pm

One of America's most popular police trainers is teaching officers how to kill with fear-based warrior tactics

"Do Not Resist"

Dave Grossman's "Bulletproof Mind" is teaching law enforcement agencies across the United States militarized tactics in which officers are told to see themselves as "at war" on the streets.

The retired Army ranger and former West Point instructor has been teaching his classes for more than two decades.

He focuses on a concept he's dubbed "killology," or the study of killing, and uses it to teach officers to kill with less hesitation.

Agencies have started turning away from the courses in recent years, after it was discovered the Minnesota police officer who fatally shot Philando Castile had taken one of Grossman's courses.

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One of America's top police trainers is teaching officers to be "emotionally, spiritually, psychologically" prepared to kill people on the job.

If you're prepared to kill, Dave Grossman, says, it's "just not that big of a deal."

"I am convinced from a lifetime of study, if you fully prepare yourself, in most cases killing is just not that big of a deal. For a mature warrior who has prepared their self's mind, body and spirit for a lifetime, for a mature warrior whose killing represents a clear and present danger to others, it's just not that big of a deal," Grossman said in 2015, while speaking in front of a group in a segment filmed for the 2016 police militarization documentary "Do Not Resist."

Grossman also enticed his audience by noting that killing can lead to great sex.

"Both partners are very invested in some very intense sex. There's not a whole lot of perks that come with this job. You find one, relax and enjoy it," he said in the same course.

https://news.yahoo.com/one-americas-mos ... 25103.html
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:21 am

https://www.facebook.com/terrencekwilli ... 210240406/?

https://www.facebook.com/56902285325877 ... /?vh=e&d=n

Kikapu.. I thought we were talking about racism, I’m pretty sure the George Floyd incident was not based on racism. Police brutality is a different matter. Yes, there is police brutality and it shows up everywhere in the USA . My hunch is that a lot of these cops are vets from Iraq/Afghanistan and trigger happy..
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:39 am

This young black lady has a pretty good insight into what’s happening..Kikapu

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1757755 ... 423891686/
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:43 am



...Obama speaks.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:22 am

Oceanside50 wrote:This young black lady has a pretty good insight into what’s happening..Kikapu

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1757755 ... 423891686/


...true; but it does not mean that change is not needed: that the Police, for "Law and Order" have left their mandate to "Protect and Serve" behind.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:02 am

Oceanside50 wrote:https://www.facebook.com/terrencekwilliams/videos/1134923210240406/?

https://www.facebook.com/56902285325877 ... /?vh=e&d=n

Kikapu.. I thought we were talking about racism, I’m pretty sure the George Floyd incident was not based on racism. Police brutality is a different matter. Yes, there is police brutality and it shows up everywhere in the USA . My hunch is that a lot of these cops are vets from Iraq/Afghanistan and trigger happy..


The events we are seeing in the US over last 9 days or so are both about racism and not about racism. There is no contradiction there, that is just how the universe is - complex and non binary. The following is well worth a read imo.

https://markmanson.net/newsletters/mind ... in-browser
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:11 am

Oceanside50 wrote:https://www.facebook.com/terrencekwilliams/videos/1134923210240406/?

https://www.facebook.com/56902285325877 ... /?vh=e&d=n

Kikapu.. I thought we were talking about racism, I’m pretty sure the George Floyd incident was not based on racism. Police brutality is a different matter. Yes, there is police brutality and it shows up everywhere in the USA . My hunch is that a lot of these cops are vets from Iraq/Afghanistan and trigger happy..

No, I am not talking about racism alone. I am talking about police brutality, which is a much bigger problem against anyone who dares to challenge their authority. Underprivileged Minorities are just an easy targets and depending from which part of the US one lives, more the problem with racism and police brutality. I believe Floyd’s murder was something personal with officer Chauvin because they knew each other from the nightclub where they both worked. An opportunity which dropped on his lap, or better yet, under his knee.
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